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| Merlin Member Since: 30 Oct 2010 Location: Newmarket Posts: 981  
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Possibly the worst review of a car I have ever read:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/land-rover...er-review/ Don't think he will ever buy one! Now the question is this: if he is right about the Defender, does that mean we are all wrong? Merlin |
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14th Jan 2016 6:14pm |
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| NJS22 Member Since: 26 Oct 2012 Location: Cornwall Posts: 169 
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I've been offered an 90 Adventurer but I can't get my head around the £43k price tag, I want it but not that much.
 1998 90 50th Anniversary 4.0 V8
2016 90 Adventure 2015 Range Rover Sport 1971 Range Rover 2 Door Wife won't let me have any more...!!! |
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14th Jan 2016 7:51pm |
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| Jukathy Member Since: 25 Jan 2015 Location: Berlin Posts: 170 
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Nor he could 
thx 4 sharing though. |
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14th Jan 2016 8:18pm |
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| Pickles Member Since: 26 May 2013 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3784  
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Pretty senseless article IMHO, but I did enjoy the video.
Pickles. |
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14th Jan 2016 8:46pm |
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| Spookytooth Member Since: 19 Jan 2014 Location: Lincolnshire Posts: 202 
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Pretty fair review for a non believer, don't forget we are enthusiasts with rose tinted glasses, what the article describes is what the rest of the world see, we, however, are in blissful denial.
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14th Jan 2016 9:11pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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Pretty spot on. Steve. Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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14th Jan 2016 9:18pm |
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| Doubledoom Member Since: 27 Dec 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 42 
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A fair bit of it is correct. Some of it is stereotype and some is perhaps historical viewpoint.
The right arm thing hasnt really bothered me. The other day I had the window open and found my arm drifting out but when the window is closed, I dont find it restrictive. My puma 2.2 was a bit sluggish outside of 2k-3.5k range when new but now it has over 4000 miles on the clock, it can drop below 2k easily. So, maybe this is a trait with low mileage ones. My discovery 4 is better than the defender in virtually every area. Indeed, the D4 is possibly one of the best cars I have owned. However, the defender puts a smile on my face when I drive it. You engage with the defender. You drive it. With other cars you just run on auto pilot and point and click. I think you understand it more if you live in the country and use it for pulling horse boxes, going down tracks and being on thin country lanes with high hedges and potholes that would damage alloys on other cars. The other day, my daughter and I were in a layby on a hill, with a decent view out front, drinking hot chocolate. It was pouring down with rain. She was chatty and friendly (and you take that where you can get it from a teenager). The rain pinging on the roof and the wipers making their whirring noise as they went back and forth every few seconds. Another defender drove past and we waved before returning to our chat and hot chocolate. It was one of those moments where you felt everything was good about life. Cars dont make noises like that any more and you are so insulated from the outside on modern cars that you dont experience the weather. Memories are not made in most modern cars. Forgive my rambling. However, I think that is what a defender does for you. Its a tool. Its an experience. its the memories it gives. |
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14th Jan 2016 11:11pm |
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| Eduardo Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Región Metropolitana Posts: 2110  
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To be honest:
In my opinion based in the build quality, the performance and the running cost should be in a range of 20.000 GBP. The "smiling factor" can add some premium but IMHO not 23k... Cheers Eduardo MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64' MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"  Click image to enlarge |
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14th Jan 2016 11:47pm |
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| Barney12 Member Since: 09 Jun 2015 Location: South West Posts: 744 
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I love this line:
"The Defender eschews reversing sensors and rear-view cameras, and instead has a mechanical parking sensor in the form of a huge spare wheel on the rear door, which nudges whatever is behind until it breaks or rings its solicitor." |
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15th Jan 2016 9:09am |
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| BigRuss Member Since: 15 May 2010 Location: Norfolk Posts: 2785 
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Not sure the bit about the VED being £550 a year Russell
2011MY 110 XS USW Black |
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15th Jan 2016 9:18am |
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| GREENI Member Since: 22 Aug 2010 Location: staffs Posts: 10381
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Let's face it...they are crap. I tell everybody they're crap.
But I will never have one. I have to have two!!!! |
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15th Jan 2016 9:19am |
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| Wild Card 90 Member Since: 03 Dec 2014 Location: Gerlingen Posts: 1060  
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No need to appologise. I totally identify with you, on all points. The comparison to the excellent D4, and the special moments that the Defender regularly delivers. 
In comparison to modern cars, the Defender is a pre-war Bentley/Tiger Moth sort of experience, but without the goggles and flying jacket. At the same time, a Puma one fulfills most of the needs of everyday motoring. surprisingly well. 1998 Tdi 90 SW, 2008 Td4 90 SW, 2012 2.2 90 SW, 2" raised Trailmaster/Terrafirma Heavy Track Raids, 255 MT´s, Recaro CS´s, anorak, wellingtons |
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15th Jan 2016 9:44am |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298 
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/\ /\ /\ me too
like you say....you engage with the car.......bit like you would with a caterham  |
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15th Jan 2016 10:01am |
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| Mr Fox Member Since: 10 Sep 2011 Location: green & pleasant land Posts: 1037 
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I can relate to this and have had similar moments with my own daughter. It was nice to read your synopsis and I'd concur that classic cars tend to lend themselves more to meaningful moments. As for the Telegraph Review, if we're honest, I don't believe he says anything contentious. When anyone questions me about my Geländewagen (now on my third), I always say "you buy it with your heart and not your head." When I had the Defender sitting alongside it, that statement became even more true. It took the Defender to make the G look like a sensible, ergonomic, quality and 'modern' choice. Unless you live on a farm or needed one for work, if you thought too long you'd never buy a Defender; however, I believe that for most of us intelligent internal debate takes a back seat to emotion, passion and heart, and, in those stakes the Defender wins you over. The British like an underdog and the Defender wins that battle each and every time. |
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15th Jan 2016 10:05am |
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