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caribcat



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2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Aintree Green
Just scared the crap out of myself...
Returning from a snowboard session in Snowdonia today, I decided to take the short cut down the twisty steep as Censored hill I avoided on the way in. Looked fine and someone had been up with MTs on. Had no control as it was slicker than a slick thing. Stone wall on one side and deep drop to a rocky river on the other. Managed to come to a stand-still but still had to have my mate lean on the side of the 110 to stop it slipping down the camber to the drop.

All we could do was dig a channel to get a tire in to the bottom of the hill, about 1/2 a mile. Suitably knackered now. Dropping tire pressure had no effect -might have made things worse and even in low with diff lock on and feet no-where near the pedals the back was trying to overtake! Could have accelerated out of that but things would be a lot worse.

Top tip, which was buried at the back of my mind from an off-roading past, was to stop and start with the ignition key with all in gear and handbrake off. No need to touch pedals as that was where it was going wrong. Dragging a spare tyre/ground anchor on a long line would have really helped too but had neither.

Can't wait for these General Grabber ATs to wear out. MTs next me thinks.....
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TC



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Re: Just scared the crap out of myself...
Shocked
caribcat wrote:
Returning from a snowboard session in Snowdonia today, I decided to take the short cut down the twisty steep as Censored hill I avoided on the way in. Looked fine and someone had been up with MTs on. Had no control as it was slicker than a slick thing. Stone wall on one side and deep drop to a rocky river on the other. Managed to come to a stand-still but still had to have my mate lean on the side of the 110 to stop it slipping down the camber to the drop.

All we could do was dig a channel to get a tire in to the bottom of the hill, about 1/2 a mile. Suitably knackered now. Dropping tire pressure had no effect -might have made things worse and even in low with diff lock on and feet no-where near the pedals the back was trying to overtake! Could have accelerated out of that but things would be a lot worse.

Top tip, which was buried at the back of my mind from an off-roading past, was to stop and start with the ignition key with all in gear and handbrake off. No need to touch pedals as that was where it was going wrong. Dragging a spare tyre/ground anchor on a long line would have really helped too but had neither.

Can't wait for these General Grabber ATs to wear out. MTs next me thinks.....


Shocked how is the underwear holding out? Laughing

I wouldn't wait for the tyres to wear, think of the enjoyment being missed in the interim.......
Post #49238 21st Dec 2010 3:23pm
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pom



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yup same feelings on the grabbers, pants in the snow and ice.

Pom
Post #49240 21st Dec 2010 3:41pm
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DefenderOfTheEarth



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Tonga Green
Pom - didn't you do this recently?

My Grabbers (and many mates Grabbers) have been fantastic in this snow and ice. No issues at all. Any loss of grip has been through driving wrongly (and learning from it each time) not through poor tyres.

They are M&S rated for a reason. Run them at lowish pressures and short of studded tyres, not much will perform better. Defender 110XS SW gone... now VW California 180 4 Motion.
Post #49244 21st Dec 2010 3:55pm
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pom



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i have the factory fit TR's not the AT2's.

Will be remedying the problem after christmas.

Pom
Post #49245 21st Dec 2010 4:26pm
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gtveloce65



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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Epsom Green
Interesting thread - I've been considering changing from factory Grabber TRs to AT2s as the stock tyre seems to have been especially bad in the recent compacted snow - doesn't want to dig in at all.

I don't do much 'proper' off-roading, so can't really justify the possible noise/economy penalties of muds, beside which I've heard mixed reports of their use on compact snow and ice.

What is the collective opinion of Grabber AT2s? Just in case all this snow nonsense carries on well into the New Year... 1953 80
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Post #49246 21st Dec 2010 4:46pm
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pom



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Spoke to Andy at AJ Tyres and he said he has AT2's on his landrover. Enough for me !

Pom
Post #49248 21st Dec 2010 4:52pm
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gtveloce65



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that's a useful recommendation, thanks Smile 1953 80
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2008 110xs
Post #49252 21st Dec 2010 5:26pm
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mick



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This is were snow chains come into there own.
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mse



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Grabbers on mine - out since saturday on them...fantastic - even went off in 6 inch of new snow off road - fantastic Mike
Post #49258 21st Dec 2010 6:21pm
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Zinke



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mick wrote:
This is were snow chains come into there own.


My thoughts exactly! This is the reason i have 4 chains not 2, maximum control down slippy hills when its icy! It may be a pain fitting and removing them but you always get home in one piece!

Pete.
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BigRuss



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United Kingdom 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Santorini Black
Swmbo's disco 2 has performed flawlessly in the snow on AT2's I'm really happy to by another set when they wear up. 10k miles so far this year with no abnormal signs of wear. Thumbs Up Russell
2011MY 110 XS USW Black
Post #49265 21st Dec 2010 6:48pm
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mick



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Whats the difference between the grabber at2 and BFg at2 which I am on mine seem fine in all conditions.
Post #49268 21st Dec 2010 7:02pm
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digger



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had grabbers on my puma was glad to have them taken off and sold them on ebay. back to bf goodridge 265 75 mud terrain Laughing
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willy eckerslike



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 HCPU Keswick Green
Really won't make much difference changing tyres from at2 to mtr, buy some chains instead, they will stave off gravity slightly longer. I live in the North York Moors and believe me gravity always wins Original Member Pie n Pea Club.
110 HCPU Tipper
Post #49284 21st Dec 2010 8:09pm
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