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Happyoldgit



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kbf1981 wrote:


Is it worth getting the dealer to look at a 15 plate under warranty (7k miles now). We'll be doing a road trip through Europe this year with some off road bits.


Personally I reckon the chances of getting a dealer to undertake seperating the transfer box and adapter to check the condition under warranty 'just in case' would be very slim. Steve.
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kbf1981



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If I wanted to check for signs of the orange rust people are talking about... Anyone any pictures of where I should look? Without taking stuff apart? Thanks!
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mark_d



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blackwolf



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kbf1981 wrote:
How can you tell if they're going? What are the warning signs? And once those warning signs occur how long will it still continue to drive?

Is it worth getting the dealer to look at a 15 plate under warranty (7k miles now). We'll be doing a road trip through Europe this year with some off road bits.


Generally you can't, until the moment when there is (usually) an assortment of very destructive noises and a complete cessation of forward movement! You need to be alert to excessive transmission backlash, but on the Puma Defender this more-or-less comes with the vehicle from new and is more likely to be diffs, halfshafts, drive flanges, transfer box, and clutch than output shaft. There will be backlash before the output shaft fails, however, so if you become aware of backlash and know that all the more easily accessible parts are OK, then be suspicious of the output shaft.

I would say that you have absolutely no chance at all of getting a dealer to visually inspect the coupling under warranty, since LR won't authorise this as warranty work. They will repair it under warranty if it fails though.
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Supacat



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Well, just to counter that, mine was replaced and greased under warranty without it failing first. The tech that collected it when it went in for the oil pump repair said he could feel it. I wasn't going to argue, and more importantly the warranty bods at jlr must be happy for it to be diagnosed in this manner.

Maybe suggest it to the service manager, and see what he thinks, he may agree and get it done. If it's stripped and done, nobody will be any the wiser.
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blackwolf



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^^ Wow, lucky fellow, and full marks to the dealer!

I have never heard of that happening, but it proves that it can happen. Thumbs Up
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Shax



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Now this sounds like I am taking the pi55, but bear with me!!

There is a breather hole at the end the shaft cover section, between main gearbox and transfer box.. Try poking a damp string or bendy cotton bud type "thing" into this hole, and see if any of the "magic red dust" sticks to it.. Blasting an air duster in at the same time should agitate things sufficiently to see the results!!

Gotta be worth a try, as it only takes a few minutes.. ... ,-------,
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Harryb450



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Im thinking of fitting this kit at the weekend, and i am wondering if you chaps have any tips or tricks that will help me? NO ROAD..........EXCEPT FOR LANDROVER
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Shax



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Get new oil seals for the gearbox output shaft and the transfer box input.. May as well get them changed while it's in bits.. ... ,-------,
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.. I __ |"_|"__|
.. "(o)====(o)"
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PAUL
G7ALW 14.200 USB
26FB458 / 27.275 SSB
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Harryb450



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Thats a good point, you dont have the part numbers to hand by any chance? NO ROAD..........EXCEPT FOR LANDROVER
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Shax



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These links should do the trick!!

http://www.shop4autoparts.net/Defender/Gea...amp;-Seals

http://www.shop4autoparts.net/Defender/Gearbox/mt82/seals-mt82 ... ,-------,
.. I [__][_]|__
.. I __ |"_|"__|
.. "(o)====(o)"
^^_-^-_^-^_^^^^^--^^^^
PAUL
G7ALW 14.200 USB
26FB458 / 27.275 SSB
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Harryb450



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Thankyou very much, am i right in thinking that i dont need the mainbox output seal because the ashcroft kit comes with it fitted? NO ROAD..........EXCEPT FOR LANDROVER
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blackwolf



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It can't come with it fitted since it fits the back of the gearbox. It may, however, be supplied with the kit, but not having bought the kit I don't know.
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Harryb450



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Its fitted to the new aluminium bit if i understand it correctly, if you look on the ashcroft website the picture shows it better.
http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co.uk/mt...t-kit.html NO ROAD..........EXCEPT FOR LANDROVER
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Shax



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You'll still need a new seal for the gearbox output shaft.. The new bit comes with a seal to stop the self lubing splined shaft leaking.. ... ,-------,
.. I [__][_]|__
.. I __ |"_|"__|
.. "(o)====(o)"
^^_-^-_^-^_^^^^^--^^^^
PAUL
G7ALW 14.200 USB
26FB458 / 27.275 SSB
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