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McGeordie



Member Since: 20 Feb 2012
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United Kingdom 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Montalcino Red
I agree with the views, snow foam won't clean your car, it is however a good step in cleaning the car and minimising the damage that can be caused if you batter straight in with a sponge...lots of tiny scratches. I've been an advocate of snow foam for many years, you can see the dirt suspended in the foam as it runs away. If I'm pushed for time I use more foam in the mix 1:5 and add some car shampoo, then wash off with some pressure...and it looks a good deal better.

Personally I'd only ever use PH neutral foam, and never traffic film remover, especially if I have wax or sealant applied...it wont be left after you have used the traffic film remover which will leave you car looking cleaner, but unprotected.

Oh and I've used most, and the car plan stuff is good, IMHO better than B/H..but I accept some people really love B/H. Sold Def 90 HT 2010...Stornaway..(SOLD in Oct 2014)
Current: delivered October 2014:- 110 USW XS.....Montalcino Red
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excossack



Member Since: 22 Feb 2012
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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue
So TFR is OK, if you are planning on waxing/sealing after a wash ? 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
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Post #479465 5th Dec 2015 7:51pm
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McGeordie



Member Since: 20 Feb 2012
Location: Central Scotland
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United Kingdom 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Montalcino Red
Its ok..but it is aggressive, I personally wouldn't use it, But there is a good thread here:
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/show...lm+remover Sold Def 90 HT 2010...Stornaway..(SOLD in Oct 2014)
Current: delivered October 2014:- 110 USW XS.....Montalcino Red
Post #479520 5th Dec 2015 10:41pm
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excossack



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Cheers. Just started reading it. I think it needs its own TLA converter

RTU
APC
TFR
LSP
etc. 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
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McGeordie



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United Kingdom 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Montalcino Red
Like all hobbies/obsessions...APC - all purpose cleaner, LSP - last stage product (sealant or wax) and so on..LOL!

Hope it helps you make your decision, there is a wealth of info on DW...as long as you understand some of us are a bit obsessive! Sold Def 90 HT 2010...Stornaway..(SOLD in Oct 2014)
Current: delivered October 2014:- 110 USW XS.....Montalcino Red
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McGeordie



Member Since: 20 Feb 2012
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Just to add, many advocates of Power Maxxed TFR are saying its LSP safe...so it maybe well worth a try..I might even get some to test on the wife's van! Sold Def 90 HT 2010...Stornaway..(SOLD in Oct 2014)
Current: delivered October 2014:- 110 USW XS.....Montalcino Red
Post #479543 6th Dec 2015 7:55am
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discomog



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I've been using pH neutral snow foam for the last couple of years. A couple of weeks ago I ran out of it so decided to use car shampoo in my car foam lance which initially put a nice foam on the car but after only a couple of minutes dwell it had more or less all run off. I then power washed it off. The result? - no different to when using snow foam.

As stated in previous posts don't expect to use snow foam to give you a perfectly clean car - it won't happen.

I'm still telling myself that by continuing to use snow foam I am reducing the possibility of scratching the paintwork. This used in conjunction with a two bucket wash system again helps to reduce scratching. Always have a clean spare sponge or wash mitt available in case you drop it.
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Anderzander



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I thought it was quite good at removing salt and grime - and it makes cleaning underneath a lot easier.

It's definitely a pre-wash, but I think it adds some value - hope so anyway !
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McGeordie



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Discomog and Anderzander..totally agree...it snow-foam, two bucket method, good microfiber sponge or wash mitt, working top to bottom and lots of clean water to rinse off...is the best way to avoid paint damage due to washing. Sold Def 90 HT 2010...Stornaway..(SOLD in Oct 2014)
Current: delivered October 2014:- 110 USW XS.....Montalcino Red
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excossack



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Thanks people. Plenty to go on if what ever I use helps to shift grease, mud, dirt without damaging paint then that's good.
The two bucket system is not one I use right now, but should be! So, will be hunting either two buckets, or another fish food bucket but with a lid.

Cheers 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
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T1G UP



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England 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Orkney Grey
Go green landing over Xmas. Then you'll use the polish car cleaners like the rest of us and save yourself posting.
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Grenadier



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excossack wrote:
I was thinking a snow foam to soften the crud,
Followed by
Jetwash rinse
Wash with shampoo
Rinse
Dry
Wax
Seal

Clay bar somewhere in the middle.


My barber offers that, and a little something for the weekend.... Whistle Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

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excossack



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Purchased a 1litre bottle of Power Maxed TFR. So lets see how it goes when it arrives 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
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Rickydodah



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Grenadier wrote:
excossack wrote:
I was thinking a snow foam to soften the crud,
Followed by
Jetwash rinse
Wash with shampoo
Rinse
Dry
Wax
Seal

Clay bar somewhere in the middle.


My barber offers that, and a little something for the weekend.... Whistle



Back in the days when I had enough hair to warrant a barber I had admiration for the barber who could place your "little something for the weekend" in your inside suit pocket without you even knowing yet alone anyone seeing. Today unfortunately I have no need for any prophylactic but I'm sure the ensuing conversation would be: would sir like the knobbly ones, the psychedelic ones the fruit or mint flavoured etc etc with never a thought for any discretion. Rolling with laughter I started with nothing and still have most of it left!
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McGeordie



Member Since: 20 Feb 2012
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United Kingdom 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Montalcino Red
I've tried the Power Maxxed TFR a couple of times on Mrs McG's Transit, thought I'd share my experience so far...honest views, having applied at 1:10 ratio, allowed 5-10mins dwell time and then pressure washed off :
- It works more effectively than snow foam/pressure wash, removing most of the crud and road grime.
- The van looked clean
- A couple of areas, I just sprayed again and agitated with a soft brush
- Its not as good as doing it properly, snow foam, pressure wash, then with buckets and shampoo...however as solution that is quick and fairly effective during the winter months, it a winner. (it took me longer to set up and break down the hose/pressure washer than it did to do the van)
I may increase the TFR content slightly next time, but again I'd go no more than 15% to avoid any risk to the sealant already applied.
Hope that helps Sold Def 90 HT 2010...Stornaway..(SOLD in Oct 2014)
Current: delivered October 2014:- 110 USW XS.....Montalcino Red
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