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GreenHue



Member Since: 28 Aug 2015
Location: Derbyshire
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Nokian Hakkapeliitta LT2 with studs??
Can anyone tell me if the Nokian Tyres with studs are the same basic tyre as the ones without?
Therefore do the tyres without studs have the holes on them for the studs to be inserted?
How easy is it to take the studs out of a studded tyre?
Could I buy a studded tyre -- take the studs out -- and then use them on UK roads???

Questions... Questions
Post #460541 5th Oct 2015 8:16am
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ericvv



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Nokian Hakkapeliitta LT2 come new without studs, but with the holes to add them. Studs can be removed, but it is not recommended. Do a google search with "removing studs from winter tires" and you get a load of knowledgeable advise. Thumbs Up You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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Post #460545 5th Oct 2015 8:33am
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GreenHue



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Well I've taken the plunge and bought some Nokians with studs and then removed the studs.....
As my new Heritage model doesn't arrive until December I will have to wait to test the tyres out !
I will let you know how they are when I get them on the road
Post #461710 8th Oct 2015 9:48pm
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Cold_n_Wet



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Ive run Cooper Discoverer studdless and now run the Nokians with studs.

I ran the Discoverers on 265/75R16 and am running the nokians on 235/85R16.

Im in no doubt the Nokians are a much better tyre.

The thing I found with studdless tyres, and I actually do it to studded two, is to wash the threads once a month in the season to get read of salt and other pollutants.

This restores alot of grip again.

Glen "Rafiki" 2007 110 STW - Rolling rebuild.
Post #461721 8th Oct 2015 10:45pm
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Zirynx



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Hi,

I'm also considering acquiring a set of four 235/85/16 Nokian Hakkapeliita studless LT2's 'in readiness' for winter but am also mindful of how little use they are likely to get in the UK, thereby ageing well before they become used.

As a balance (I hesitate from using the word compromise Wink ) I have also been giving serious consideration to the Nokian Rotiiva AT which, whilst not a full / proper winter tyre, does also have the Severe Service Symbol (snowflake) and presumably, some winter / snow capability and credentials which may be sufficient for the UK, whilst also being able to run them all year round.

Is anyone here running (or has anyone here previously run) the Nokian Rotiiva AT or even have any comparative experience between the Rotiiva and the Hakkapeliita LT2?

Thanks.
Post #462050 10th Oct 2015 12:57pm
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dave18



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Ahhh I love this ' UK doesn't get winter's.' Does it get below 7 deg ??? Yes ok we don't get feet of snow but we do get cold temperatures and ice . I went from GG ATs on my D2 to Cooper Discovere M+S2 which are winter spec. The difference was night and Day. I could drift the D2 and wheel spin if I wanted in the wet and cold. Try it the winter tyres and I'm shot off down the road. So left no doubt to get some for my 110.

The Nokians are now sitting in the garden waiting for me to get back from Oman
Post #462087 10th Oct 2015 4:27pm
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Zirynx



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I'm trying to differentiate between certain Nokian tyres - they do make more than one type, but many of these forum threads only refer generically to 'Nokians'.

Both the Hakkapeliita LT2 and the Rotiiva AT are constructed in size 235/85/16 and bear the Severe Service Symbol (snowflake) and are therefore under my consideration in preparation for winter, which implicitly includes non-snowy but very cold days!

I'm also asking the question in context of UK winters. I'm not suggesting that we don't get cold winters (less than 7 degrees C, which of course we do and certainly justifies 'cold weather' tyres) just that we get disproportionally less snow than cold days. In that context, the Rotiiva may well be sufficient for year round use unless an especially harsh winter, including extraordinary snow dumps, arrived.

Does anyone have any experience of the Nokian Rotiiva AT during a typical UK winter?

Thanks.
Post #462102 10th Oct 2015 5:21pm
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dave18



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The Hakkawhatever was the only paternal I could find even on Nokians page. The other one will be just as good. Would advise against running all years as once it gets warmer they wear a lot and your braking distances increase!!

Go for the other one if you like it more
Post #462228 11th Oct 2015 8:17am
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aled



Member Since: 02 Sep 2015
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Winter wheels and tyres just arrived...
Black Silverline Modulars 7x16 zero offset
Nokian Hakkapeliitta LT2 235/85R16 120/116 QLT 160km/h

All sourced by my local tyre fitter: Bangor Tyre Service
Next job: paint the knock-on weights black and fit Gwyn Lewis mud shields and mud flaps
I'm happy with fit, the ET0 fills the arches nicely
I went for Nokians again after having them on a previous van in which I traveled about much of northern Europe


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Post #472736 15th Nov 2015 6:10pm
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dave18



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Mine are going on this week once she has had her MOT,

However I do have a problem, What wheels!!!!! Currently got Gen Sawtooth in black. But I was thinking of getting Gen Wolfs in black at £187 each, Not sure I like the looks of the stock Steel LR wheels and not sure Boosts in Black would be ok I want to stick to LR wheels ideally and had Modulars on my old 90 and was never 100% kean on them .

I see you have 5 Nokians, you aware they are directional ?? I wasnt at first till it was pointed out to me luckily it was just before I bought them lol
Post #472746 15th Nov 2015 6:31pm
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aled



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Yes, past experience proved that a directional winter tyre run the wrong way still stick better to snow and ice than a summer tyre spare
Post #472788 15th Nov 2015 7:24pm
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apt100



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I've got a set (of LT2) sat in the garage waiting to go on when the temperature drops to something a bit more seasonal on a spare set of wheels.
I was aware that they are direction but chose to get 5 anyway:
1) there is a 50% chance that it will be correct from the outset
2) given that you would sensibly have to slow down a bit anyway, is a "wrong direction" softer LT2 going to give better grip than a rock hard summer tyre?
3) if/when we do get a bit of snow, winter tyres will disappear from stock. Had this with a previous vehicle, only had 4 winter tyres, got one trashed by a huge roofing screw and couldn't get a replacement for weeks. Now worse case it is a trip to almost any tyre place to have rotation swapped. Could even be in and out in 20 mins without disturbing a journey too much with a bit of luck.
Just my thoughts, not preaching to anyone else.

edit: above reply posted while typing my reply. Similar thinking.....
Post #472798 15th Nov 2015 7:34pm
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dave18



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Not knocking anyone for having 5, Just wondered if he knew they were Directional. Cool Cool Cool
Post #472806 15th Nov 2015 7:47pm
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apt100



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It is definitely worth mentioning so that people can make their own informed decision on 4 vs 5 Thumbs Up
Post #472808 15th Nov 2015 7:50pm
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dave18



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Got mine fitted on Saturday. One thing we noticed. Gen Sawtooth alloys had to be weighted like mad with the Conti Cross Tracs on some times over 50g per side!! The Nokians used very little weights most was 30g on one wheel total not per side!!
Post #476319 26th Nov 2015 10:34am
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