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Hairysteve



Member Since: 15 Jun 2015
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United Kingdom 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Barolo Black
My friendly "indi" plugged it in for free and told me the faults Snigger
Post #463474 15th Oct 2015 11:41am
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23GPS



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Location: Blackdown Hills, Somerset
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Keswick Green
I have a 2007 110 SW, bought at 500 miles and about to hit 100k. It had issues with this warning light showing intermitently, from around 15k. Dealer did a " software upgrade " that worked for no more than 1000 miles, then the light was back permanently on and I ran like this for several thousand more over a 6 month period, as no power loss etc. In the end, a new EGR valve under warranty sorted it, and that has lasted for 70k plus miles so far. Keep it simple - poverty spec.
Post #463684 15th Oct 2015 10:40pm
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Eau02467



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It won't be anything serious but it is an MOT failure so get it checked and fix whatever it is. It is most likely to be EGR valve in which case it is best to replace them but if you are skint cleaning it and lubricating the workings with either lithium or copper grease works well

Ps removing the +ve terminal won't clear the fault code
Post #463716 16th Oct 2015 7:37am
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miker



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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 CSW Rioja Red
EML light is not an mot failure.
Post #463734 16th Oct 2015 9:54am
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ian series 1



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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Bonatti Grey
As above^^ not a MOT fail, it would only go down as advisory.

Also don't assume it's always EGR related, there are lots of things that can throw up a MIL light.
Over boost is a common one on the Puma engine. 80" 80" 86" 88" 90"

Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered.
Post #463742 16th Oct 2015 10:18am
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K9F



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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey
We could speculate all day what it might be there are 97 pages of Ford Land Rover related DTCs. As stated buy a reader and shed some light.

Thumbs Up If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!
Post #463746 16th Oct 2015 10:36am
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Stacey007



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I will

In the mean time my warranty apparently covers taking it in for a free check. I will do this next week as they could not fit me in this week.

I will update once I know.
Post #463757 16th Oct 2015 11:02am
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spudfan



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Mine turned out to be a sensor related to the fuel system. Changed under warranty. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #463816 16th Oct 2015 2:22pm
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Stacey007



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Ultra guage on order and Car booked in for Wednesday for the code to be read.

I don't wan to do more harm driving it not knowing....

Update soon
Post #464789 19th Oct 2015 8:38pm
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Stacey007



Member Since: 25 Sep 2015
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Hello


Had my Defender in the garage today to check the EML code, I've ordered a Ultraguage (and sods law I missed the delivery today)

However I didn't want to just reset it with out knowing what it could be.

The garage said there were two codes, one was a historic one that apparently could have been due to a flat battery and was cleared, The second related to the MAF sensor. So they said they took this out, cleaned it and reset code, Then took it out for a drive.

Its been fine (and light off) on way home so will see

Total £41


How much is a MAF sensor if I need one?
Post #465340 21st Oct 2015 7:12pm
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sjwdrew



Member Since: 31 Aug 2016
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey
Just had exactly the same thing happen, has your light stayed off or come back on?
Just done a quick 200 miles and all seems fine, no loss of power.
Simon
Post #573817 27th Oct 2016 6:10pm
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custom90



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MAF is around £120 genuine, however, some know the OE manufacturer which is a lot cheaper.

The EGR can sometimes trigger MAF codes, but not likely the other way around.
So it sounds like your MAF has just been a bit dirty, no EGR issues.

But, the EGR is still a real pain and it won't be if, it'll be when you'll get EGR issues and it'll likely do the same thing.

Having the Ultragauge will be invaluable anyway, I have the Alive ATRIC for most things but the Ultragauge has more features for uses other than faults and mapping only.

Now you can read codes yourself, you can I.D. What they are and repair accordingly.
Then wipe codes and job complete.
There are a few exceptions like key programming and injector learning it won't do though but is ideal for MAP, MAF, EGR & Turbo etc. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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Post #573820 27th Oct 2016 6:38pm
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Stacey007



Member Since: 25 Sep 2015
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Hello

I Have this code that keeps showing more regularly than not on my gauge,


Pending code P1103


Its not come to any light on dash yet but does seem persistent? show I worry....
Post #573937 28th Oct 2016 9:28am
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dorsetsmith



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Post #573944 28th Oct 2016 10:26am
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X4SKP



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United Kingdom 2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
Hello Stacey007

Welcome to P1103.... Shocked

K9F was right first time (well done Mal)... Thumbs Up



It's a sit up in your seat moment when this comes on for the first time...and the 'what if's' start to be processed.

Mine has come on 3 times in 3 years...1st occasion I did what you have just done (well almost)
bought a ScangaugeII and got this...


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Mine reset after 4/5 engine start 'cycles' (less than 6 anyway) now I check the code, clear it, and press on.

I now understand that many have been here before (thank you D2N...it;s like having my own mechanic)
To be honest there is only so much you can do with the MAF Sensor (IMO) as it is essentially a themocouple sealed and it either works or it doesn't....but I'd add to that they they do appear to deteriorate...which may be your situation, if repeatedly 'triggering' the fault code then 'engine light' (MIL Malfunction Illumination Light).

I took out the Sensor and generally cleaned the air intake box, but it probably was one of those clean it and it runs better actions...good to get any leaves / rubbish out though and a drop of WD40 on the connector.


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MAF Sensor is in the 'upstream' air side of the Air Filter housing


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Unplug and generally look...


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and clean (as much as you can)

Goof Luck with the long term fix SKIP
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Post #573947 28th Oct 2016 10:39am
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