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dave18 Member Since: 11 Jul 2015 Location: Gorleston, Great Yarmouth Posts: 497

Which winter tyres Right folk, Looking at Winter Tyres, Dont want to have this thread turn into a For or Against Winter tyres, Had that on a certain 'ZONE' web site when I was new to Landys Anyways last year got a set of Cooper Discoveres M+S 2 fitted to the D2 for winter and they way out performed the GG ATs which are the normal ones. Unfortualntly they dont do them in 235/85/16 So Ive narrowed it down to either !! Cooper Discoveres M+S - Now reviews of these are all over the place but when you see the vehicles they are fitted to it doesnt help, seem popular in the states on pick ups with owners saying the back end still slides ( Think they are still on their provisional liscences over there ) Looking between the M+S & M+S2 it seems the sizes they suit are different and speed ratings so guess thats why there is a 2nd generation. Nokian Hakkapeliitta LT2 - Good ole Finnish company world renowned for their winter tyres but cant find many if any reviews especially when not fitted with studds which is anoying. So which do I go for any one got any experiances of them ?? As a side called into my local tyre shop that does Cooper to find out the sizes for the M+S2 to be told that you can not get tyres in 235/85/16 and that 75 and 80 profile are rare and very expensive and would take several weeks to order. Laughed at him and said most Defenders are that size to which he said I was wrong they will be 70 profile. His oppo was chuckling especially when I asked to borrow their computer for a min and pulled up loads of stuff with on the tyres and how you can get them the next day lol

23rd Sep 2015 1:01pm

ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816

Used the search function on here. "Nokian Hakkapeliitta" gives you 25 threads "Cooper Discoveres M+S" gives you only 1 thread. But that is because you misspelled it. (Should be Discoverer, that gives you 30 threads) Now, this can be an an endless discussion. Can only speak for myself, I have the Nokians for the winter, and matter of fact here in Switzerland JLR are selling those on Wolf wheels as an official winter Defender accessory. After 6 past winters, can not fault them on anything. Good in all rainy and wintry weather, and only marginally more noisy than my summer GG TR. Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw

23rd Sep 2015 1:23pm

dave18 Member Since: 11 Jul 2015 Location: Gorleston, Great Yarmouth Posts: 497	Hahahah lol. Better with my hands than keyboards lol, Hmm 1 for the Nokian Ericvv are yours studded or non ??
23rd Sep 2015 1:27pm

ken Member Since: 18 Aug 2009 Location: Banging Birds with my bitches !! Posts: 4328	Quite simple really Nokian are the superior Winter Tyre proper sipes etc ec BFG Cooper & Duratrac's are a happy medium with Mountain snowflake
23rd Sep 2015 1:39pm

Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6605	Studs aren't UK road legal AFAIK  1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top 2015 D90 XS SW
23rd Sep 2015 1:48pm

dave18 Member Since: 11 Jul 2015 Location: Gorleston, Great Yarmouth Posts: 497

Ken, Studs are a grey matter. They are illegal but are not illegal!!! You can run them but its the discretion of the officer who pulls you eg if your in the Scottish highlands in a foot of snow then they are legal. If you are driving round Chelsea then NOPE. will hunt out the bit I have on them later. Think it goes down to damaging the Queens Highway Knew Nokian was the god but even gods get it wrong some times lol. To me Winter tyres are the ones wsith snow flakes, if they havent got it then they are an all rounder.

23rd Sep 2015 1:49pm

dave18 Member Since: 11 Jul 2015 Location: Gorleston, Great Yarmouth Posts: 497

The laws require that in order to be legal a tyre must comply with a number of legal requirements. These requirements range from what the manufacturer must be responsible for - relevant sidewall markings etc - and what the motorist should be responsible for - correct fitment and condition of tyre, tread depths etc. It is recommended that tyres are checked on a weekly basis for tread depth, tread condition, inflation pressure, tread/sidewall damage, any signs of irregular wear. If in doubt seek the advice of a trained tyre expert who will be able to determine the suitability of the tyre for further use. The penalties for having illegal tyres are currently up to a £2500 fine and 3 penalty points PER TYRE! The following gives an overview of the relevant points. There are two important Legal Statutes that Relate to Tyres: 1. The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986. These regulations do not cover only tyre legal requirements but any area related to road usage and traffic. They include areas related to dimensions and manoeuvrability, brakes, wheels, springs, tracks, steering, vision, instruments, fuel, minibuses, power to weight ratio, protective systems, control of emissions, plates, markings, testing and inspection and conditions related to use. 2. Motor Vehicle Tyres (Safety) Regulations 1994 Which cover the requirements relating to the supply of tyres and areas such as E markings, Part Worn tyres and Re-treads. The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 Regulation Number Subject Area Regulation 24 Indicates the types of vehicle covered and also temporary use spares Regulation 25 Details tyre loads and speed ratings Regulation 26 Stipulates the requirements for tyre mixing Regulation 27 Details condition and Maintenance of Tyres Damage to road, person or vehicle If the tyre causes either damage to the road, or to persons, or to any vehicle using the road. This would cover such instances as if a vehicle with damaged or very oversized tyres which either caught against a person or other vehicle resulting in either damage or injury. Studded tyres also are included in this clause and if used in inappropriate conditions (i.e. where there is no ice or snow) and they damage the road surface then they would be clearly illegal.

23rd Sep 2015 1:56pm

ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816

dave18 wrote: Ericvv are yours studded or non ?? No, not studded. Not legal here and not required either. Switzerland is not the north of Scandinavia you know. If it would get so bad that you need studded tires, so mainly because of icy roads, better to leave the car home and use public transport. You might have studded tires, but others on those icy roads not. If you would think about studs because of a foot of snow in the mountains, then putting chains (4 of them) would be better again. A month from now it will be time to put the winter wheels/tires on again. Can only recommend not to wait too long before buying what you want, as there is the usual scramble for winter tires once the first - unexpected - serious winter storm happens. And then stock evaporates quickly. Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw

23rd Sep 2015 2:04pm

Mr Fox Member Since: 10 Sep 2011 Location: green & pleasant land Posts: 1037

ken wrote: Quite simple really Nokian are the superior Winter Tyre proper sipes etc ec BFG Cooper & Duratrac's are a happy medium with Mountain snowflake I've had Nokians on the G-wagon for three winter seasons - which has included trips to the Alps each year and various travels outside of the UK in snowier climes - and found them to be excellent. I've also used Pirelli Scorpion Winters, which were also excellent, but stupidly priced imho. So, another vote for Nokians

23rd Sep 2015 2:06pm

ken Member Since: 18 Aug 2009 Location: Banging Birds with my bitches !! Posts: 4328	Just not the studded flavour Nokian Hakkapeliitta LT2 come studless as well
23rd Sep 2015 2:19pm

dave18 Member Since: 11 Jul 2015 Location: Gorleston, Great Yarmouth Posts: 497	Cheers for the replies know the Nokians come with or with out was curious to know if Ericvv had studs or not. Defo agree about chains lol Looks like I will be getting Nokian possibly. guessing they are alright for an AT tyre looking at the pics.
23rd Sep 2015 2:38pm

dave18 Member Since: 11 Jul 2015 Location: Gorleston, Great Yarmouth Posts: 497	Well bit the bullet and ordered a set of Nokians. Only had 4 so will try and get a 5th later on. Got them from Tyreleader £483 ex fitting which isnt too bad for 4. cheers
23rd Sep 2015 7:04pm

ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816

Why a fifth? The LT which I have is unidirectional. Nobody here buys 5 winter tires. I guess the current LT2 will also be unidirectional???? Just leave your summer wheel on the rear door as we all do, the chance that you will get a flat is very remote anyway. Eric Edit: just looked at LT2 picture. They are unidirectional, so buying a 5th for the spare wheel seems a no go. Unless you are sure before you buy it if you will run a flat on the left or on the right side.  You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw Last edited by ericvv on 24th Sep 2015 4:58am. Edited 1 time in total

23rd Sep 2015 7:22pm

dave18 Member Since: 11 Jul 2015 Location: Gorleston, Great Yarmouth Posts: 497	Ericvv, Good call and cheers didnt spot that, Not used to Uni direction on 4x4s, only delt with them on sporty vehicles lol. Saves me some more money as going to get a second set of rims as well
23rd Sep 2015 8:42pm

scotiach Member Since: 19 Nov 2014 Location: 5603 Posts: 36	What size winter tyres should I put on my Dotz Dakar 7x16 wheels? I don't want them too fat. I run standard steelies in the summer.
24th Sep 2015 10:59am

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