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Rugbyball

Member Since: 04 Nov 2014
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 81

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Corris Grey

To Map or Not To Map?

That is the question, or rather to be more specific, WHEN to map?

I have a 2015 XS and after reading about folks on here getting their PNJ's mapped And feeling transformed - I am wanting to the same.

I have looked with interest at the types (Stage 1 or 2) and providers (BAS, Alive, TMD, JE, etc) and all seem very similar.

The question though is when do folks do it?

Is it wise to wait until the 3 year warranty is up. It seems LR dealers can be difficult even with the slightest mods. Some seem to have a decent service manager, others seem to be abandoned to their fate!

So do you take the chance that you have a good truck and nothing will go wrong - and do it, or be smart and be patient and wait...

Appreciate any views

2015 Overfinch Defender XS 90
1998 50th Anniversary V8
1989 90 CSW
Many Discoveries...

3rd Aug 2015 7:45pm

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

I waited until two years into the warranty period. By that time one would hope that you would be able to 'gauge' the risk of possibly negating the last 12 months. Alternatively 'sound out' your service manager and see what his spin on it is. I would certainly NOT entertain the idea of a map on a new vehicle without written assurances the warranty would remain extant.
Ultimately of course the choice is simply down to you alone. If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!

3rd Aug 2015 9:41pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17378

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

Whenever you do it, you'll wish you'd done it sooner!

3rd Aug 2015 9:56pm

Tim_NZ

Member Since: 05 May 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 177

^^^^ What he said. I've been a customer of BAS for over 6 years, with 4 different vehicles, and couldn't be happier. The car is however always returned to standard for a dealer visit.

4th Aug 2015 3:49am

ericvv

Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
Location: Near the Jet d'Eau
Posts: 5816

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

Original question to map or not to map. Don't think so, the standard power perfectly suits this 50s design, and takes me anywhere I want to comfortably at upto my limit of 132kph. Which I never even do by the way, highway cruising at 120kph/2500rpm makes it snore like a cat. No undue strain on any of the driveline components either, and it helps avoiding speeding tickets.

For the other stuff, there are plenty GTI, M, RS, etc. type vehicles out there which are designed for power and which have all the drive line, suspension, brakes components suitable for it too.

Just my 5 pence.

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4th Aug 2015 4:18am

bpman

Member Since: 21 May 2008
Location: Oslo
Posts: 8069

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

^^ completely agree.

Speeding tickets in CH tend to hurt - a lot !

Defenders have the same drag coefficient as the Shard

Additionally, M, RS etc versions have brakes to match!

4th Aug 2015 6:28am

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

It is not purely about top end and speeding fines as is easily misconceived but a better smoother power delivery across the lower ranges too. If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!

4th Aug 2015 7:06am

willy eckerslike

Member Since: 15 Jun 2009
Location: North yorks
Posts: 1789

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 HCPU Keswick Green

Its nothing to do with speed, the map doesn't suddenly increase top speed you still have a throttle, the map brings the Defender in line with the modern pickups and 4x4's it certainly doesn't turn it into a sports car

. The map just makes the car so much smoother and more driveable, the extra torque is the best bit. As for the comment about the brakes don't understand that one, it doesn't suddenly get heavier. A big improvement on towing as well. As for driveline wear never seen any difference on any of my defenders. Original Member Pie n Pea Club.
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4th Aug 2015 7:13am

Rugbyball

Member Since: 04 Nov 2014
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 81

Thanks all. Interesting views....

So it seems the answer to this question is - do it, but maybe not now because of the loss of warranty.

It could be a long wait to endure!!

I wish LR would have offered as an upgrade option in the first place. No reason they could not, as they seem to have done so on the Celebration Autobiography. 2015 Overfinch Defender XS 90
1998 50th Anniversary V8
1989 90 CSW
Many Discoveries...

4th Aug 2015 12:56pm

tookaphotoof

Member Since: 18 Mar 2013
Location: dordrecht
Posts: 1279

2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black

Decided to wait myself. Less then a year warranty left. Have had to send the car in quite a few times already and I don't want to get myself into any unnecessary discussions if I need the garage again.
Hopefully mapping will make the car a bit less heavy on fuel, too.
Even over 400 km highway from France it didn't do better than 7.2 km / l. Just 3 passengers and hardly any luggage...

4th Aug 2015 1:26pm

bluebottle

Member Since: 08 May 2015
Location: Not in my Landy enough!
Posts: 705

Depends what you're looking for I guess...

I may well be getting into researching this next year for my TD5 to make it more sensible on a motorway since I don't need towing or super-off-road ability. 2005 110 XS - Cairns Blue "Bertha" - Gone, and sorely missed

4th Aug 2015 1:27pm

bell-auto-services

Member Since: 08 Jul 2007
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 2232

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Orkney Grey

Tis works well for the 2.2 Defender, currently on offer with a free ecu. https://secure.bellautoservices.co.uk/stor...biography/

Regards Pete

4th Aug 2015 1:36pm

Barney12

Member Since: 09 Jun 2015
Location: South West
Posts: 744

2014 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Corris Grey

Tim_NZ wrote:
^^^^ What he said. I've been a customer of BAS for over 6 years, with 4 different vehicles, and couldn't be happier. The car is however always returned to standard for a dealer visit.

Exactly this. As BAS currently offer an ECU as part of the package then to swap back is a 5 minute job.
2 engine cover bolts (8mm).
3 plugs to pull.
2 10mm bolts to free the ECU

and then the reverse.

It is literally 5 minutes.

4th Aug 2015 1:37pm

Barney12

Member Since: 09 Jun 2015
Location: South West
Posts: 744

K9F wrote:
It is not purely about top end and speeding fines as is easily misconceived but a better smoother power delivery across the lower ranges too.

Exactly as per my thread yesterday. I'm now on day 2 of the remap. Can't say the power gain has really been a factor but the smoother delivery is unbelievably good. Even SWMBO noticed last night and she was the passenger!

4th Aug 2015 1:40pm

ericvv

Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
Location: Near the Jet d'Eau
Posts: 5816

willy eckerslike wrote:
Its nothing to do with speed, the map doesn't suddenly increase top speed you still have a throttle, the map brings the Defender in line with the modern pickups and 4x4's it certainly doesn't turn it into a sports car . The map just makes the car so much smoother and more driveable, the extra torque is the best bit. As for the comment about the brakes don't understand that one, it doesn't suddenly get heavier. A big improvement on towing as well. As for driveline wear never seen any difference on any of my defenders.

Nothing to do with speed?

There were recently some nice pictures of a few Puma dashboards on here breaking 160 and 170 kmh on the highway.....

I doubt that the Puma brakes, which serve me fine indeed, are up to bringing this cubicle safely to a fast stop from such speeds. I don't even think that with the standard speed limiters of 132 kph (Puma 2.4) and 145 kph (Puma 2.2) it is safe to make a very fast sudden brake action from high speed.
As said, in my opinion this boxy cube remains a 50s design all over, so the 360Nm at 2000rpm is plenty of torque if you use the car with moderation and respect. The way I handle my truck, I can cruise on level roads nicely at 60kph (37 mph in the language of the island

) in 6th at 1200 rpm, and from there without pushing it smoothly move faster without any protest. Spurrs like a cat as I said. And also, never ever any black smoke.

4th Aug 2015 2:53pm

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