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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610   
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Your supposition of going to a dealer for diagnosis is correct to see what DTCs are logged. In the interim apart from checking security of relays, throttle sensor etc. there's not much to do. Maybe think of investing in a practical and proven fault code reader perhaps? They can immediately pay for themselves in a situation such as yours.
Good luck!  If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!
Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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5th Jul 2015 10:55am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20339
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Check battery terminals are tight, earthing and battery condition.
If nothing else it's good to check it anyway. |
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5th Jul 2015 1:51pm |
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| pumaxs Member Since: 18 Jul 2012 Location: Bath Posts: 180 
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Both battery terminals are tight + well greased, so do not think that is the problem.
No other obvious loose connections. Have spoken to my UK dealership, and they have suggested that problems with the Fuel Metering Valve or Pressure Relief Valve can cause the symptoms that I described, and are fairly common 2.4tdci faults. However, ultimately I need to get to a dealership to be certain. So it looks like 1 1/2 hour, or so, drive to Toulouse. '57 Defender 110 XS Station Wagon 2.4tdci |
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6th Jul 2015 8:21am |
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| pumaxs Member Since: 18 Jul 2012 Location: Bath Posts: 180
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Couldn't get into any of the local (and I use the term loosely) dealerships, as they are all fully booked until the end of July!!!
Pleads of "But I'm on holiday!!" cut no ice!! So, now have a booking for 10.00am tomorrow at Auto Real in Perpignon, some 65 miles & 1 hour 45 minutes away. A short trip to the Leclerc store up the road confirmed that the problem hasn't gone away, so fingers crossed that I make it without having to lean upon my continental breakdown cover. Will pack my tent in case I have to wait for replacement parts to be ordered + delivered next day, as can't be arsed to to and fro. Whilst I'm sure that my impromptu tour of Perpignon will be lovely, sh!t like this really puts a strain on the Defender 'love affair'!!! I'd already had a call from my mother, the night I'd arrived here, to say that my old ESS, a true gentleman of the first order, had to be put to sleep the day I'd left home. Boss was an old boy, and had been unwell for a while, but his loss is still a wrench, as you develop such a strong bond with working dogs. Basically, this holiday is shaping up to being one kick in the b@llocks after another!! '57 Defender 110 XS Station Wagon 2.4tdci |
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6th Jul 2015 3:59pm |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558 
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couldn't spare 10 mins to plug your defender in , that's good back up
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6th Jul 2015 4:11pm |
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| pumaxs Member Since: 18 Jul 2012 Location: Bath Posts: 180
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I suppose when you're busy you're busy!
PITA though! 
The guide books say that Perpignon is "one of the hottest towns in France". Given that it's been 38 degrees here today, that doesn't bear thinking about. However, the Catalan history sounds interesting, so culture will hopefully win the day!  '57 Defender 110 XS Station Wagon 2.4tdci |
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6th Jul 2015 5:44pm |
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| SimonDavies Member Since: 15 Mar 2012 Location: Swansea Posts: 244  
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Do you experience any 'hunting' when the engine is idling over time - I.e. revs bouncing up and down? This can be a symptom of a fuel valve problem on the 2.4.
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6th Jul 2015 7:24pm |
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| pumaxs Member Since: 18 Jul 2012 Location: Bath Posts: 180
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To be honest, the rev counter needle flutters only very slightly on tick over.
Perhaps, 50 rpm-ish above & below the target 750rpm. I've seen some YouTube clips where the needle is bouncing about all over the shop. It certainly doesn't do anything like that. '57 Defender 110 XS Station Wagon 2.4tdci |
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6th Jul 2015 7:33pm |
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| SimonDavies Member Since: 15 Mar 2012 Location: Swansea Posts: 244
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I'm guessing you don't have any tools on you? The fuel sensor at the rear of the rail is easy enough to remove with a 19mm (I think). It should all be as one. If it has failed it will be broken up.
If you do have it booked in somewhere and don't want to risk things then obviously wait, just thought I'd throw an idea in. |
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6th Jul 2015 7:38pm |
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| pumaxs Member Since: 18 Jul 2012 Location: Bath Posts: 180
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Well, I made it to the the LR dealership in Perpignan - Just!
The engine must have stalled 7 or 8 times on the closing stages, mainly due to the slow moving traffic + numerous roundabouts. Anyway, the problem proved to be due to a failed Fuel Rail Pressure Relief Valve (Part No. LR006866), which had broken apart internally. They also replaced the Fuel Injection Pump Vapour Valve (Part No. LR009837). An uneventful journey back to Limoux via the beautiful Gorges des Galamus, with it's narrow + winding road, confirmed that all is well again.  '57 Defender 110 XS Station Wagon 2.4tdci |
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8th Jul 2015 6:11am |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298 
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great news and what a relief I should imagine. |
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8th Jul 2015 8:06am |
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| pumaxs Member Since: 18 Jul 2012 Location: Bath Posts: 180
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Relief cost me just over 500.
But sure felt good!  '57 Defender 110 XS Station Wagon 2.4tdci |
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8th Jul 2015 8:53am |
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| SimonDavies Member Since: 15 Mar 2012 Location: Swansea Posts: 244
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Very common on the 2.4.
Glad you have sorted it but by gosh that's pricey. |
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8th Jul 2015 12:01pm |
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| pumaxs Member Since: 18 Jul 2012 Location: Bath Posts: 180
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Roughly translated, the bill breaks down as:
Diagnostic Testing: 75.00 Labour: 126.40 FRPR Valve: 39.98 FIPV Valve: 173.76 Cleaner: 5.00 VAT: 84.03 Total: 504.17 Not ideal, but neither is breaking down in the middle of nowhere in a foreign land. '57 Defender 110 XS Station Wagon 2.4tdci |
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8th Jul 2015 2:09pm |
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