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Amos



Member Since: 10 Oct 2010
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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey
Anti-roll bars...?
Looking to spec up a Defender 90 this week, for order.

I see in the spec you can have have anti-roll bars wheel some of the wheel options, for £250....!

What do the anti-roll bars do for my life, and why are they not standrad on the Defender....?

Does it make road driving better etc...?

Many thanks

Aaron

PS:- Hello to everyone, as I'm new...! Razz
Post #42372 10th Oct 2010 6:48pm
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discocuzzy



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Anti roll bars do what they say on the tin Sir Thumbs Up
Not sure about the 90 but the 110 xs has them as standard, makes it a lot better on road but slightly less axle articulation in the rough stuff.

To be honest unless your doing hardcore stuff, i would spec em up You cannot teach stupid people to do clever things
Post #42374 10th Oct 2010 7:22pm
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Amos



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey
Ok doing a bit of homework on the Internet, some people say the 90 comes with anti roll bars, and some say they don't.....!?!?

Does anyone know if they are standard on a new defender 90 xs.....?

Many thanks
Post #42379 10th Oct 2010 8:59pm
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Zinke



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United Kingdom 2003 Defender 90 Td5 HT Epsom Green
It all depends which wheels you get! If you have alloys (Boost or SVX style) they they come as standard.

As a 90 XS comes with alloys as standard then you will get ARB's as standard as well.

Pete.
Post #42381 10th Oct 2010 9:46pm
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Amos



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey
Zinke wrote:
It all depends which wheels you get! If you have alloys (Boost or SVX style) they they come as standard.

As a 90 XS comes with alloys as standard then you will get ARB's as standard as well.

Pete.


Many thanks for clearing that up.....
Post #42384 11th Oct 2010 6:25am
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double cab happy



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England 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Java Black
i've got the boost alloys but no anti role bars, and when we where doing some off roading with a land rover experience instructor he could not believe how much more articulation i was getting, as we where trying to get the two wheels of the ground cross axel pic, it will make a big difference at the extreame end of things and not a big problem when on the road in my opinion, but hay i'm a guy who would not pay for traction control so why listen to me Smile
Post #42469 11th Oct 2010 9:10pm
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Zinke



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United Kingdom 2003 Defender 90 Td5 HT Epsom Green
double cab happy wrote:
i've got the boost alloys but no anti role bars, and when we where doing some off roading with a land rover experience instructor he could not believe how much more articulation i was getting, as we where trying to get the two wheels of the ground cross axel pic, it will make a big difference at the extreame end of things and not a big problem when on the road in my opinion, but hay i'm a guy who would not pay for traction control so why listen to me Smile


Are they factory fit? Did you buy your truck new? Could just be somebody fitted them at a later date and didnt fit the ARB's. Or it may be something to do with you having a 110 and HD suspension?

Pete
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Allan



Member Since: 09 Sep 2009
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Australia 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black
I took them off on both the wife's TD5 90 and my Puma, much better ride on road and better suspension travel off road. Replaced the standard shocks with after market and both vehicles ride and handle very well.

Allan
Post #42490 11th Oct 2010 11:22pm
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o4dn



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France 2009 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alaska White
double cab happy wrote:
i've got the boost alloys but no anti role bars, and when we where doing some off roading with a land rover experience instructor he could not believe how much more articulation i was getting, as we where trying to get the two wheels of the ground cross axel pic, it will make a big difference at the extreame end of things and not a big problem when on the road in my opinion, but hay i'm a guy who would not pay for traction control so why listen to me Smile


I guess that could be related actually, anti-roll bars means less articulation, so the need for traction control to compensate.

I was thinking of fitting anti-roll bars on mine (90 SW with standard steel wheels), but then realized that this may hinder the traction when off roading as I do not have ABS/TC fitted.

There is an article on fitting anti-roll bars in LRM October issue, does not look like a hard job to do. Funny thing, he compares the end result with a standard 90 hard-top with steel wheels, and finds his considerably stiffer, but then I am not sure this one has anti-roll bars as standard as claimed in the article... Rolling Eyes
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double cab happy



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England 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Java Black
Zinke wrote:
double cab happy wrote:
i've got the boost alloys but no anti role bars, and when we where doing some off roading with a land rover experience instructor he could not believe how much more articulation i was getting, as we where trying to get the two wheels of the ground cross axel pic, it will make a big difference at the extreame end of things and not a big problem when on the road in my opinion, but hay i'm a guy who would not pay for traction control so why listen to me Smile


Are they factory fit? Did you buy your truck new? Could just be somebody fitted them at a later date and didnt fit the ARB's. Or it may be something to do with you having a 110 and HD suspension?

Pete


i did buy the truck new and spec'd up the county model as the xs was just outside my financial reach at the time, when i add'd the boost alloys i was told that as a factory fit extra they came with anti roll bars, but as you can imagine looking for the arb's when i picked up my first new land rover was not at the top of my list, once i noticed i was more than ok with the ride and the off road ability, i had also read about the articulation issue so never said a thing, good point about the HD suspention, i do seem to go through rear shock bushes very quickly, the top ones seem to last about 12 months before i can movment by hand on the top of the shock Confused
Post #42505 12th Oct 2010 9:16am
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Ads90



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Keswick Green
My 90 County (steel wheels) had no ARBs, but after test driving it (on the road) I had them fitted.
My last 90 had them, and driving around in the new one without them made me & the missus feel sea sick!

I take the point that if you do a lot of off-roading, you may choose to put up with the sway on road though.
And I have no idea what springs I have - it is a SW, so would guess HD?
Post #42510 12th Oct 2010 9:52am
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the gamekeeper



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England 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Tonga Green
This is information from the workshop manual 2007 on

Hope this helps

Suspension System - General Information -
Suspension
90
Front Live beam axle, linear rate coil springs, coaxial telescopic nitrogen-charged hydraulic shock absorbers.
Lateral axle location by fabricated steel Panhard rod and longitudinal axle location by forged steel radius
arms. Stabilizer bar if alloy wheels fitted.
Rear Live beam axle, linear rate coil springs (dual rate for heavy duty derivative), telescopic nitrogen-charged
hydraulic shock absorbers. Lateral axle location by forged steel 'A' frame arms and longitudinal axle
location by fabricated steel trailing links. Stabilizer bar if alloy wheels fitted.
110
Front Live beam axle, dual rate coil springs, coaxial telescopic nitrogen-charged hydraulic shock absorbers.
Lateral axle location by fabricated steel Panhard rod and longitudinal axle location by forged steel radius
arms. Stabilizer bar if station wagon or crew cab derivative.
Rear Live beam axle, triple rate coil springs, telescopic nitrogen-charged hydraulic shock absorbers. Lateral axle
location by forged steel 'A' frame arms and longitudinal axle location by fabricated steel trailing links.
Stabilizer bar if station wagon or crew cab derivative.
110 heavy
duty and
130
Front Live beam axle, linear rate coil springs, coaxial telescopic nitrogen-charged hydraulic shock absorbers.
Lateral axle location by fabricated steel Panhard rod and longitudinal axle location by forged steel radius
arms. Stabilizer bar.
Rear Live beam axle, triple rate coil springs, coaxial linear rate helper springs, telescopic nitrogen-charged
hydraulic shock absorbers. Lateral axle location by forged steel 'A' frame arms and longitudinal axle
location by fabricated steel trailing links. Stabilizer bar.
Road spring data
Road spring Part number Colour code
90 2 seat utility (2400 Kg)
Front - Driver's side REB500200 Red/green/white
Front - Passenger side REB500220 Red/green/orange
Rear - Driver's side NRC 9448 Blue/red
Rear - Passenger side NRC 9449 Yellow/white
90 2 seat utility (2550 Kg)
Front - Driver's side REB500200 Red/green/white
Front - Passenger side REB500220 Red/green/orange
Rear - Driver's side RKB101230 Green/yellow/red
Rear - Passenger side RKB101240 Green/yellow/white
90 4 seat station wagon (2400 Kg)
Front - Driver's side REB500200 Red/green/white
Front - Passenger side REB500220 Red/green/orange
Rear - Driver's side RKB500290 Red/green/green
Rear - Passenger side RKB500280 Red/green/red
90 4 seat station wagon (2550 Kg)
Front - Driver's side REB500200 Red/green/white
Front - Passenger side REB500220 Red/green/orange
Rear - Driver's side RKB500270 White/green/pink
Rear - Passenger side RKB500310 White/green/purple
LHD 110 2 seat utility, 5 seat station wagon and 5 seat crew cab (3050 Kg)
Front - Driver's side NRC 8044 White/white
Front - Passenger side NRC 8045 Yellow/yellow
Rear - Both sides RKB101111 Purple/brown
RHD 110 2 seat utility, 5 seat station wagon and 5 seat crew cab (3050 Kg)
Front - Both sides NRC 8045 Yellow/yellow
Rear - Both sides RKB101111 Purple/brown
LHD 110 7 seat station wagon (3050 Kg)
Front - Driver's side NRC 8044 White/white
Front - Passenger side NRC 8045 Yellow/yellow
Rear - Both sides RKB500300 White/green/green
RHD 110 7 seat station wagon (3050 Kg)
Front - Both sides NRC 8045 Yellow/yellow
Rear - Both sides RKB500300 White/green/green
110 heavy duty and all 130 (3500Kg)
Front - Driver's side NRC 9448 Blue/red
Front - Passenger side NRC 9449 Yellow/white
Rear - Both sides 78 of 1212 RKB101111 Purple/brown
Post #42543 12th Oct 2010 7:46pm
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Augusto



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Germany 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White
How about sway bar quick disconnectors?
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Augusto



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Germany 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White
How about sway bar quick disconnectors?
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Martin90



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United Arab Emirates 2009 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
Allan wrote:
I took them off on both the wife's TD5 90 and my Puma, much better ride on road and better suspension travel off road. Replaced the standard shocks with after market and both vehicles ride and handle very well.

Allan


Allan,

What suspension set up are you running as I have been thinking of removing ARB's on my 90 but do not want to reduce the onroad handling.

Cheers,

Martin Martin
1989 90 - Truck cab, Mazda 35 SLTi engine
2009 90 - Station Wagon
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