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| Busboy Member Since: 23 Jan 2012 Location: West London Posts: 182   
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Hi Brendan
Just to let you know as far as I am aware under 21 you are limited to the distance you can drive, and those questions are part of the driving test show me tell me q& a session. The CPC element is more complex for new drivers it's done in modules 1 to 4. Although mod 4 is done in a bit of a parrot fashion style of learning which is not great way to learn. It's only my opinion but theres not enough of the old style of training which is to explain things like brake fade ect. And these training companies to be competitive only do the basics to get you through the 4 modules in quick time which isn't always enough. Steve Steve |
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9th Mar 2015 7:06am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Didn't they arrest two people after that accident?
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9th Mar 2015 10:01am |
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| jimbob7 Member Since: 06 Jul 2013 Location: uk Posts: 2055 |
The driver cpc is attendance only,your not obliged to answer any questions or write anything down,just turn up,give them your name and driving licence number and sit there for 7-8 hrs. Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5.
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9th Mar 2015 10:42am |
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| jimbob7 Member Since: 06 Jul 2013 Location: uk Posts: 2055 |
rule #2 Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5.
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9th Mar 2015 10:43am |
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| Busboy Member Since: 23 Jan 2012 Location: West London Posts: 182
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Your right jimbob7 but remember there are two types, the initial issue which is part of the modules 1 to 4 where you can pass and fail, the second is for established drivers which is periodic training, 5 x 7hr courses with no pass or fail, as you said jimbob7 you could be asleep and it doesn't matter...a bit of a waste really.
Although some companies offer some interesting refreshing information. ..... Steve |
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9th Mar 2015 5:30pm |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
van drivers have CPC to if you tow and Gross > 3.5T, 35 minutes vans and towing out of 35 HR
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9th Mar 2015 6:21pm |
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| SimonDavies Member Since: 15 Mar 2012 Location: Swansea Posts: 244  
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I'm pretty sure you can drive a HGV under the age of 21 if you own the company I.e an owner driver.
The cpc is something that every driver has had to complete in order to be legal to drive a HGV. |
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9th Mar 2015 6:51pm |
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| Rickydodah Member Since: 14 Jul 2014 Location: East Sussex Posts: 1091 |
Blimey, how things change. All I had to do in 1970 is provide the previous six months of log book entries and they sent the licence back by return. As it was an agricultural business you could drive any class of vehicle apart from track laying provided it was not further than 25 miles from its operating base from the age of 17. We had one lad who looked about thirteen and hadn't started to shave yet continually being stopped by plod and in the end he had a letter to carry from the local police inspector to explain the situation to any officer who stopped him.
 I started with nothing and still have most of it left!Last edited by Rickydodah on 9th Mar 2015 7:50pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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9th Mar 2015 7:34pm |
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| Fatboy Slim Member Since: 04 Feb 2008 Location: Bridgend Posts: 1006
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As said above, if you sit your HGV test today, you would have to do the 'initial' CPC (regardless of age). The periodic part of the CPC is the bit you can sleep through every 5 years 
The initial consists of 4 modules, some theory some practical, with case studies and such like. The practical parts are meant to show you have at least a basic grasp of how to tie/strap/chain something down all done under test conditions with a DSA examiner. The initial CPC isn't bad IMO. The periodic CPC on the other hand is a total fiasco. Good idea. Badly implemented. Some of the total BS that was thrown at me during one sitting was nearly enough to make me get up and walk out. Luckily I filled up with free cake and tea and dozed off for the 4 hours left  |
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9th Mar 2015 7:44pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8581
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I have not got a HGV licence was just talking about various issues with a retired mechanic/lorry driver.
Lets say I was a bit astonished at the rather low level of questions etc involved in the CPC. If a normal car driver does not know how to test indicators, lets say there is a tell tale sign on most car dashboard, I am pretty certain there would be something similar on a HGV Brendan |
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9th Mar 2015 7:56pm |
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| Fatboy Slim Member Since: 04 Feb 2008 Location: Bridgend Posts: 1006
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There is indeed, but under full driving test conditions I can assure you nerves will get the better of a few people and obviously you would have to get out of the cab (safely- using 3 points of contact of course as he's checking for that as well, whilst checking your mirrors for any cyclists/pedestrians you're about to KO) and physically show the examiner how you intend checking that the indicators are working .......It may be simple stuff but I wouldn't go as far as easy, the same as any 'exam' no matter how straightforward has its pitfalls.
For example, the 'show me what you would check in the cab before setting off on a journey' question. If you asked 100 experienced HGV drivers that question you would probably get 200 different answers, if those answers don't cover the key things that the DSA instructor has on his/her sheet that must be mentioned- the candidate will fail. I know a few have failed by forgetting to mention checking the time is correct on the tachograph. Easy done, I defy any HGV driver to say they've never forgotten to go an hour forward/backward with the change in the clocks (I know I have )
Simple, yes in theory, easy.......not really |
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9th Mar 2015 8:11pm |
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| SailingTom Member Since: 19 Nov 2013 Location: ESSEX Posts: 1720
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Bet thats still more than your retired mate had to do though back in the day! Defender puma dormobile camper
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9th Mar 2015 9:27pm |
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| noworries4x4 Member Since: 24 Dec 2010 Location: Newton Abbot Devon Posts: 1195 
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You don't change the time on a digital taco anymore it should always be left on UTC.
And it is a bit of an insult calling the driver qualification course a cpc (certificate of professional competence) as some of us have the full cpc National and International that allows you to manage a haulage/transport business. That qualification is a completely different ball game. If everything is under control you are not going fast enough. Every Day 16 MY Discovery 4 Commercial Workshop and Escort Vehicle Weekends 07MY L322 TDV8 Vogue SE Series 1 80" 3ltr 6cyl with overdrive No Worries 4X4 |
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9th Mar 2015 10:39pm |
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| Fatboy Slim Member Since: 04 Feb 2008 Location: Bridgend Posts: 1006
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You can still change local time on a digi tach. Printouts and recorded time on the card remain on UTC though. True enough that the periodic CPC is an insult to TM's across the country that have studied hard and gained national or international qualifications. Even then I've had the displeasure of working under some well qualified and experienced TMs that shouldn't be allowed to run a fleet of mopeds
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9th Mar 2015 10:48pm |
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