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FranceB



Member Since: 16 Jun 2014
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Chip-express PUMA2.2
Hi everyone,

I would like to ask if someone already has this modification:

http://www.chipexpress.com/products/3487/

Everything sounds extremely good (almost to much):
- Fuel economy (up to 20%!)
- Torque increase (up to 470Nm)
- Power increase (up to 163hp)

And it is a plug and play chip that I can remove at any time without consequences.
I like the plug and play idea because in case of need I can remove it easily...my truck is still under warranty and remap I think invalidate the warranty.

What do you think about it?
Cheers
France
Post #401359 23rd Feb 2015 9:23am
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K9F



Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey
The general theme is that you are better off using one of the forum sponsor tuners. You get exactly what they state and there is loads of good feedback. Alternatively do a search using "Chip Express' as your keyword and read the 11 threads available. If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!
Post #401372 23rd Feb 2015 10:19am
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clifflandy



Member Since: 13 Mar 2014
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Zambezi Silver
I've got the Chip Express tuning device on my Puma 2.4 Tdci and am very pleased with it. Plenty more mid range oomph from 30 - 70 mph in 2nd and 3rd gears.

I've had similar devices on 5 previous vehicles without problem. Most recently have purchased a Race Chip device from Germany for my Range Rover TDV8. These are worth a look if you're considering Chip Express - the Race Chip device does the same job (fully adjustable) for 149 Euro post paid (around £110).

http\www.racechip.com
Post #401378 23rd Feb 2015 10:54am
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K9F



Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey
http://www.chipexpress.com/products/3487/

£395 Laughing Pay a little more and go for a proper tune. Do Chip Express have any rolling road graphs or just claims? The benefits of plug and play are limited and the limitations well publicised on the forum. Reversion back to standard on a proper tume doesn't even involve opening the bonnet. Tuning has advanced a long way too, I used to have an Autologic Tune that had been produced for a 'stock standard' vehicle, eventually that too started giving me issues with overboost due to further vehicle enhancements. The tunes nowadays can take into consideration different parameters and adjust accordingly.

Fron Chip Express....."To fine-tune your system simply remove the rear end of the module where you can make small incremental adjustments above or below the supplied setting using the power selector within, easy to do and fully explained in instructions supplied."

Undoubtedly this will be a variable potentiometer or in simple terms the resistor Martin refers to in his post below.

Tucked away in one of the threads and a couple of years old but for the price difference get something well proven with loads of positive feedback, 'pm' or phone Gary at Alive or Pete at Bell Auto Services either way you would not be disappointed.

Martin wrote:
A tuning box can never match a true remap. Tuning boxes fool the ECU and engine into operating different to what each other "thinks" - i.e. it's a box which modifies signals going both ways to trick them.

At its crudest, this is simply a resistor to lower the rail pressure signal to the ECU, so the ECU raises it as it doesn't match its set point. Higher diesel pressure means more diesel injected per firing, but it takes NO account of the other engine parameters required to determine if this is a good idea or not.

These parameters can include but are not limited to fuel temperature, boost pressure, engine temperature, driver driver, inlet air temperature, charge temperature, air flow, gearbox gear, EGR state... [etc]

A remap does increase fuelling, but by altering the maps which are read as a result of looking at all these other parameters FIRST. A tuning box lets the ECU work out where it should be operating, and then just bungs some on top, and lies in return.
 If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!
Post #401381 23rd Feb 2015 11:50am
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Fabio



Member Since: 05 Aug 2011
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I had one on the disco 3. I payed 100£ on the disco3 forum.
I thought it was good for the 100£.
But to pay 395£ for it is too much.
That is nearly the price of a remap and a remap is better... I think.

Fabio
Post #401448 23rd Feb 2015 5:28pm
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FranceB



Member Since: 16 Jun 2014
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Thank for your opinions and experience!

I spent sometime looking for some info about this magic box:

In general people that tried it are happy about this box and they report better drivability and better feeling. I didn't find any bad review or problems given by the box wiring. I founded on a MiniCooper forum a comparison between with/without the box on Dyno run and is possible to see an actually improvement of the performance (more power and more torque). Not the same values as the optimistic data given by chipexpress but at least close...

At the end it looks like is a valid modification...of course 395£ for a piece of electronic is a lot. I don't know if this price is justified by a high quality product.
Maybe soon or later...or for 200£ less...
France
Post #401493 23rd Feb 2015 7:26pm
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Pickles



Member Since: 26 May 2013
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Australia 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Keswick Green
Jeez, 43HP & 110NM,....... IS A LOT!!??
But how does it get to this?
I've heard, both here, & in Aus, that these "Piggy Back" type systems simply send signals to the ECU making the engine do stuff that it should not be doing in the particular circumstances under which it is operationg at the time.
All sorts of safety (engine) parameters can be breached.
I would NEVER fit one.
Pickles.
Post #401525 23rd Feb 2015 9:05pm
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redzob



Member Since: 16 Jul 2014
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Guernsey 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Corris Grey
I've actually got one I purchased new, which has now been taken off my 2.2 because it's having the full remap. I did think it made a difference and was generally pretty happy with it but decided to go with the remapping as part of a whole retune. Make me an offer if you're interested? Defender Puma 2.2 XS 90
Vespa GTS 300
Way too many racing bikes.
Post #401588 23rd Feb 2015 11:35pm
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FranceB



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redzob you have a PM
Post #401607 24th Feb 2015 6:36am
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