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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127   
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Hopefully today I can investigate the transit engine a bit more?
I will post my findings up later, Incidentally the chain drive and tensioners all seemed to be ok? Just lack of oil on the main end, The symptoms of this were progressively sluggish, he pulled over then went to restart and the engine was locked solid. No lights on dash at the time, engine will not turn even with a large breaker bar on the crank pulley!! Ian 80" 80" 86" 88" 90" Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered. |
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6th Jan 2015 7:04am |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558 
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progressively sluggish , poss turbo lack of oil
mind you have seen transit alternators seize up and you would think the engine was seized due to the starter motors being so weak  , cut the belt and they start fine |
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6th Jan 2015 7:08am |
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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127
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I did wonder if the alternator or water pump had seized?
But like you said removed belt everything turns except crank! Turbo has expired, can't turn it, oil pump is shot! New engine coming tomorrow  80" 80" 86" 88" 90"
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6th Jan 2015 10:21am |
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| Cuthbert Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: Up North Posts: 1535 |
Interesting news that it is a variable displacement pump - look forward to any further details that you can unfold. |
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6th Jan 2015 10:09pm |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558
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Did ask today , but as the engines have gone back under warranty, not really know exactly what went wrong , all was told it was pump problem
i know we did have a older one that broke a timing chain guide then the bit dropped into pump chain and broke it , maybe that was why i thought the later ones problems were with drive chain , we see so many transits its hard to keep track think the varible displacement pump was fitted to the engines when they went euro 5 emissions , apparently puts less load on engine to help with emissions seems the 2.4 tdci is the most reliable, doesnt tend to jump timing like the earlier engines not heard of any pump problems |
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6th Jan 2015 10:23pm |
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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127
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So...there we have it, dropped the sump on the old engine it appears the plastic tensioner has broke into several bits
This has let the chain spin on the pump sprocket! Resulting in lots of nasty chunks of metal and swarf in the sump  80" 80" 86" 88" 90"
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7th Jan 2015 10:17am |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558
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right ok , maybe the later pump puts more load on the chain guide , maybe as the load comes on and off being a variable pump ????
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7th Jan 2015 10:25am |
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| Cuthbert Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: Up North Posts: 1535 |
I'm now beginning to wonder if the oil pump in this 2.2 Ford 'value-engineered' engine is going to fail and then the whole engine is going to detonate and implode at 60 mph.
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7th Jan 2015 9:30pm |
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| TomB Member Since: 22 Jan 2015 Location: Limburg Posts: 7 
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last year my Defender "Towfox" also got a new engine at 38.000km because of the oil pump failure.
the euro5 oil pump got 2 oil "outputs", the older puma-pump had only 1. it must be a problem of the sprocket, here in germany in our facebook "wrecker-group" over 10 cases are reportet one guy got the fifth ore sixth engine now. we only know problems with the 2.2 Euro5, the quality of the sprocket must be very "high"  |
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23rd Jan 2015 4:00pm |
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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127
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I am now beginning to think that the tdci engine is actually "a bit rubbish!"
Touch wood mines be ok, it's on 85 thousand miles. But since i have returned to work following Christmas I have had nothing but trouble with these engines! I'm currently putting one back together in a peugeot boxer, recon engine at the tune of 4 grand due to seizing solid! Again oil pump issues, although there was more to it than just the pump. 43000 miles 2012! Two transit 2.2 within days of each other, one seized, due to tensioners breaking up and killing the oil pump in above thread. The other slipped timing chain! I'm beginning to think I should have brought a td5 or 300tdi Have and had both in my old discoverys and apart from doing head gaskets on both they seemed bomb proof, unlike this transit engined time bomb!! They seem very sensitive to oils and how good it is, so I'm now changing mine every 5000 miles. 80" 80" 86" 88" 90" Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered. |
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23rd Jan 2015 5:47pm |
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| vito115 Member Since: 29 Aug 2012 Location: kent Posts: 29 |
peugeot boxer, recon engine at the tune of 4 grand due to seizing solid! Again oil pump issues, although there was more to it than just the pump. 43000 miles 2012!
Warranty ?  |
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23rd Jan 2015 6:47pm |
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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127
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I knew someone would question it!!
The van is owned by my bosses son, he lives in Jersey he brought it new, didn't have it serviced by the dealer, done it himself. Ran it on biofuel for a few months until the exhaust caught fire, and done the turbo in. He took it to the dealer, they didn't want to know due to lack of stamps in the book, Told him it probably needs new engine! He then had some polish chap "mess with it" after a few more weeks he managed to seize it up! It was shipped over from jersey last week by my boss so I could have a look, It was shot, engine and turbo so we went the recon route. He still owes 14 grand on the van, we couldn't scrap it so he just had to bite the bullet and stick a new engine in it. Van is a right heap, only worth a few grand tops when it's up and running. I say it's a wake up call to regular oil changes! 80" 80" 86" 88" 90" Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered. |
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23rd Jan 2015 7:11pm |
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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127
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I think a major factor in this was the combination of bio fuel, irregular oil changes, and the 40 mph speed limit on Jersey
I don't think the engine could have never got hot enough to run efficiently? The oil in filter housing was like a lump of jelly, Turbo oil feed and return pipes blocked solid with carbon, can honestly say I've never seen an engine in such a bad way! 80" 80" 86" 88" 90" Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered. |
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23rd Jan 2015 7:16pm |
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| vito115 Member Since: 29 Aug 2012 Location: kent Posts: 29 |
Sounds like he got shafted saw a brand new lwb Boxer today for 14k
 My mate that works in a Ford dealership said they had a few where the turbo went & Fords instructed them to fit new turbos couple of weeks later they were back with engine seized now they just pull the sump off and diag the pump being shot and fit new engines. Hes doing recalls on the Transits i believe fitting updated pumps |
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23rd Jan 2015 7:20pm |
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