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ian series 1

Member Since: 17 Nov 2014
Location: south
Posts: 3127

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Bonatti Grey

Oil pump question

Back at work today I had the joys of stripping down and removing a 61 plate transit engine,
Customer had said it had lost power over a 5 mile distance, he pulled over to check under the Bonnet, no issues so went to start it and it was seized solid!

I have now found out it was the oil pump failing!
Talking to a ford main dealer he said a lot of the 2.4s suffered with this and ford had come up with an improved pump!

Has this ever been a problem in the Defender before? Or did Landrover address this problem?
Or is it only a transit related problem?

Just got me thinking that's all.

Ian 80" 80" 86" 88" 90"

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5th Jan 2015 6:09pm

munch90

Member Since: 26 Oct 2013
Location: guildford
Posts: 3558

mainly we find its the 2.2 having problems

don't think its so much the pump its self , more something to do with the chain drive from the crank down to pump

normally knackers turbo as well

Last edited by munch90 on 5th Jan 2015 6:18pm. Edited 1 time in total

5th Jan 2015 6:12pm

ian series 1

Member Since: 17 Nov 2014
Location: south
Posts: 3127

Thanks, so it's a Landrover problem too?
I was just wondering if there was ever a recall for this, or just a small few that were just unlucky! 80" 80" 86" 88" 90"

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5th Jan 2015 6:16pm

munch90

Member Since: 26 Oct 2013
Location: guildford
Posts: 3558

not a recall as such done , but fords seem to now about it , but if you get problems within what ever the warrentry is ,then they will do it , think if your out of warrenrty its your problem

I think it will be a problem with any 2.2 guessing there all the same inside

not that common on the 2.4 , cant think of any of the top of my head

what is your one your doing 2.2 or 2.4 ?

5th Jan 2015 6:21pm

ian series 1

Member Since: 17 Nov 2014
Location: south
Posts: 3127

2.2, customer has gone away to find a good second hand engine!
It turns out the van has never been serviced from new!
No stamps in the book, oil was like water,
156000 miles! 80" 80" 86" 88" 90"

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5th Jan 2015 6:39pm

munch90

Member Since: 26 Oct 2013
Location: guildford
Posts: 3558

He done well then

some are only lasting 20-30,000m

i think there has been 1 or 2 defender 2.2s on the forum with pump problems

another reason to stick with the 2.4

5th Jan 2015 6:41pm

ian series 1

Member Since: 17 Nov 2014
Location: south
Posts: 3127

On a happier note, I get to "squirrel" the old engine away under my bench, especially if he gets a "complete"replacement and not just a short block,

Spares for a few years!

Many thanks for your info.

Ian 80" 80" 86" 88" 90"

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5th Jan 2015 6:52pm

vito115

Member Since: 29 Aug 2012
Location: kent
Posts: 29

Someone i know had his Transit 2.2 euro5 recalled for a modified oil pump

5th Jan 2015 7:15pm

GEllis

Member Since: 21 Nov 2013
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 58

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Indus Silver

I have a 12plate 2.2tdci 90 with 62k miles, just had a whole new engine and turbo all under warranty with three months warranty left due to oil pump failure.

5th Jan 2015 8:26pm

ian series 1

Member Since: 17 Nov 2014
Location: south
Posts: 3127

Out of interest, anyone know if there are differences between 2.2 and 2.4 oil pump?
I was lead to believe that the blocks and internals were the same,
Only bore size was different? 80" 80" 86" 88" 90"

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5th Jan 2015 8:40pm

munch90

Member Since: 26 Oct 2013
Location: guildford
Posts: 3558

I think only think the later 2.2 had a different oil pump drive chain tensioner or guide and it breaks , say not 100% on this

5th Jan 2015 9:45pm

Cuthbert

Member Since: 26 Oct 2013
Location: Up North
Posts: 1535

vito115 wrote:
Someone i know had his Transit 2.2 euro5 recalled for a modified oil pump

Is it the oil pump itself that fails? Is it sudden and catastrophic?

OR

Does it lose sufficiency (gradually or suddenly), pressure drops off and other engine components/bearings/top end/bottom end fail?

OR

Is it the chain drive from the crank to the pump that fails?

OR

Is it something else?

Having bought a new 2.2 I'm interested in learning more - are there tell tale signs or is it sudden death?

5th Jan 2015 9:58pm

munch90

Member Since: 26 Oct 2013
Location: guildford
Posts: 3558

Think its the drive chain , should be able to find out more tomorrow

sudden death , normally complete engine and turbo needed

5th Jan 2015 10:20pm

GEllis

Member Since: 21 Nov 2013
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 58

Not sure what went, I will find out, but it was sudden. No warning, vehicle just stopped and the dash board warning lights lit up. Recovered to dealership new engine and turbo followed.

5th Jan 2015 10:27pm

Fifth Horseman

Member Since: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 322

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

The oil pump is different on the 2.2 from the 2.4 and so far has had three different part numbers which could indicate that problems have been found in production - a similar thing happened with he oil pump on the 2.7TDv6 in the D3 (went through five revisions - see the disco3 forum).
Tensioner and chain are the same between the 2.4 and 2.2 though

5th Jan 2015 11:02pm

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