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Stue5



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Italy 2005 Defender 110 Td5 USW Alpine White
Wheel bearings going? If so?
I noticed a noise/vibration under acceleration turning right only. More vibration than noise, like TC on a bmw kicking in when powering out of a corner. I had my 5.5 wheels fitted with winter tires blalanced and fitted today it's still there Evil or Very Mad
Could this be anything other than wheel bearings? If this is the bearings do I do an axel or all four edit- eight-?
The defender is at 78000ish miles. Range Rover p38 4.6 99 lpg(gone Sad )
Post #380079 18th Dec 2014 8:22pm
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roel



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Netherlands 2003 Defender 90 Td5 PU Caledonian Blue
Jack up that wheel and feel for free play. If there is movement you could change to the old system or replace the bearings.
I do one wheel at the time (because I am a cheap Censored ) but check the rest too. Whistle Roel

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Post #380102 18th Dec 2014 8:59pm
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Stue5



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Italy 2005 Defender 110 Td5 USW Alpine White
I forgot to say while the wheels were getting changed I gave it a good waggle and nothing happened. Rolling Eyes I might just do the rear axel at the moment(it must be about time). But when your bearings have died do they make noise all the time?
Thanks Roel Thumbs Up Range Rover p38 4.6 99 lpg(gone Sad )
Post #380114 18th Dec 2014 9:26pm
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Why change the bearings if there's nothing wrong with them?

Uncas
Post #380120 18th Dec 2014 9:45pm
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roel



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Netherlands 2003 Defender 90 Td5 PU Caledonian Blue
There could be play before bearings are getting bad.
When there is no grease they make noise, but if there are getting bad normally they start making noise while cornering.
Do you have worn brake pads or a small stone between the brake disc and the splash plate on the inside off the barke disc? Roel

1984 90 2.5 na Diesel - RR V8 (1994-2001)
1997 Camel Trophy Discovery 300TDI (2001-2009)
2005 G4 Discovery III 4.4 V8 (2008-2018) It's gone but it still hurts.
2003 90 Td5 (2009-now)
Post #380128 18th Dec 2014 9:58pm
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Stue5



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Italy 2005 Defender 110 Td5 USW Alpine White
That was my original thought. But would what else can give these symptoms? It would eliminate them from the equation. Having never experienced bad bearings ,(Other than a gp14 boat trailer which had been by the sea too long)I don't know what to expect. I did a search on Google and read some frightening story's of glowing hubs and welded jobbys Shocked Range Rover p38 4.6 99 lpg(gone Sad )
Post #380131 18th Dec 2014 10:02pm
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JWL



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England 2002 Defender 110 Td5 SW Coniston Green
Just have a check on your propshaft UJ's before you get to carried away with wheel bearings. Allways look at the obvious first.
Post #380135 18th Dec 2014 10:14pm
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Stue5



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Italy 2005 Defender 110 Td5 USW Alpine White
I have a bit of slop(normal i think) in the drive line. The prop shafts were dropped and checked about 3500 miles back. The 110 behaves its self on left hand bends and in a straight line, its just right handed-er under power.

sorry Roel I missed this.(my very slow typing)
"There could be play before bearings are getting bad.
When there is no grease they make noise, but if there are getting bad normally they start making noise while cornering.
Do you have worn brake pads or a small stone between the brake disc and the splash plate on the inside off the barke disc?

Roel "

There is some good rattle coming from the rear pads as norm for 110s as they dont have anti rattel springs like the 90s, pads are good. I haven't checked for stones but will(did not see anything out of place today at the tire fitters). Range Rover p38 4.6 99 lpg(gone Sad )


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Post #380138 18th Dec 2014 10:28pm
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JWL



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I know it sounds a bit off mentioning the props but it doesn't hurt totally ruling them out, right hand turns under power could be giving the osf wheel the least amount of adhesion as the weight is being transferred to the nsr of the vehicle. Under these circumstances it could even be your TC kicking in, I can get the TC lit up on my Td5 with some 'enthusiastic' driving on tarmac.
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Stue5



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I did think this too, but the light dose not come on and I don't feel like i am any were the limit of the tires... i have tried to get a similar response on left hand bend but nothing. I had a badly balanced spare on my osf and linked with poor/cold road surface and old GGtr but today fresh new tires & inner-tubes all round balance correct pressure Thumbs Up but still the noise is there......
Thanks JWL i will have a l look tomorrow. Range Rover p38 4.6 99 lpg(gone Sad )
Post #380169 18th Dec 2014 11:08pm
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couplands



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Could it be the CV joint on that side..?

No idea how you check, perhaps someone else does...?

Cheers

Simon
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Stue5



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Italy 2005 Defender 110 Td5 USW Alpine White
A sign that the cv's were on the way out on a Early Range Rover was noise at car park speed on full lock more klunky than I am experiencing(this I remeber from many years ago Shocked ), whether it is the same setup in the defender some 25years younger??? Possably on its way out Rolling Eyes
If I pull the fuse on the TC/ABS to eliminate the TC, this should work. Range Rover p38 4.6 99 lpg(gone Sad )
Post #380189 19th Dec 2014 8:10am
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munch90



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you can get noise form a faulty wheel bearing without any play or movement at all
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Stue5



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Italy 2005 Defender 110 Td5 USW Alpine White
Found this two http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic19393.html?highlight=cv+noise http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic10240....p;start=15
The one with the sound recording sounds nothing like mine Smile I don't think It would be audible over all the other noise there, but something is going on that shuddent Confused Range Rover p38 4.6 99 lpg(gone Sad )
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Stue5 wrote:
... The 110 behaves its self on left hand bends and in a straight line, its just right handed-er under power. ...


If you can't find anything else amiss, I'd be inclined to drop out the front diff. You will have a two-gear (single cross-pin) diff, and these are known for wear, especially on 110 and 130 vehicles (the reason why they have now been superseded by 4-gear (two pin) diffs on LWB TDCis).

It is not inconceivable that altered behaviour turning left as opposed to right is caused by the diff failing.
Post #380206 19th Dec 2014 9:16am
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