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charlesteton

Member Since: 24 Feb 2013
Location: London
Posts: 40

1) You are talking about Defender, which will not be made after next year, so all the fancy readout are not going to do anthing for us.
2) Having wireless reading of fault codes etc, I prosume only by the manufacturers, would seem to be locking you into only using the said manufacturer after purchase, I'm not sure is even legal in the EU?
3) You seem to think giving the owner knowledge is not a good thing, I don't agree. If all dealers where brilliant and Land Rover was not a massive corporation with its own vested interests then maybe. Some dealers are terrible and can not be bothered, some are brilliant and Land Rover, as all other massive companies, sometimes do not admit liablity when they should or unless forced into a corner.
4) I don't see why I should have to pay (£50-£100 every time I get an engine light, for someone to hook up a reader just to be able to see what the error codes are. Most of my error codes are the MAF/EGR related and the errors disappear as soon as I take my 2.4 for a short burst on the motorway at 70mph. I researched the error codes and found out the most likely culprit.

17th Dec 2014 10:56pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20453

The MIL is very frustrating.
It's worth bearing in mind that the EGR can often cause MAF fault codes to appear, when the EGR is the culprit.
The EGR often causes poor running and performance, and often plays up.
Fir this reason I got mine tuned and blanked off, not cheap but cheaper and less headache in the long run than replacing EGR's and messing with it and living with poor performance.

18th Dec 2014 12:58am

DieselYoda

Member Since: 09 Dec 2014
Location: Hunsruck
Posts: 17

Charleston,

Yes i am talking Defender and there are units in the pipeline to update even Defender.
The wireless reading of codes and engine performance can be done by anyone with the right set-up and some technical guidance.
I totally support giving the owner knowledge,but given the complexity of engine control systems today,somethings will be out of the reach of enthusiast unless explained by someone with system knowledge.Yes,it is very difficult to get manufacturers to admit there is a concern,because as much as they shout customer care it is cost that decides.
You don't have to pay £50-£100 every time,get yourself a descent code reader that will work on TDCi and when you have a fault you can seek help and advice on the forum.

Regards
DieselYoda

18th Dec 2014 9:49am

charlesteton

Member Since: 24 Feb 2013
Location: London
Posts: 40

Wow, I very surprised that the system might be available for the Defender and look forward to it. I find the reader I have, does not show everything but gives me some insight as to what might be going on, like you say from that point I sift through Google searches to find what it might be and ask questions on forums like this one. Actually a search through this Tdci forum has turned up lots of helpful tips. £50+ is what some garages are charging for hooking up a reader, which is why I went for the wifi reader for £20.

18th Dec 2014 12:07pm

charlesteton

Member Since: 24 Feb 2013
Location: London
Posts: 40

I had my opinion of LR dealers and LR Extended Warranty changed today!

My 2.4 110 was booked in for 'MY2011/2012 Recall Action P047/048 Front Axle Case' and TH White offered free 40 point check at same time. I told them about error codes and it was only intermittent and stopped after a short run on motorway. I also asked them to look at diesel tank breather.

Took an hour or so and when finished TH White said that they had spoken to LR Extended Warranty already and they had agreed to pay 1) replace EGR valve, their code reader displayed same error codes as mine, 2) disassemble rear diff to sort out a leak 3) replace tank breather and 4) have another look at the clunk/backlash when releasing clutch.

So it looks like the £50 a month Extended Warranty has already paid for itself and I'll be renewing it.

18th Dec 2014 3:38pm

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