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Fellrunner



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Jacking points
I realise that jacking points have been discussed on several threads, but forgive a novice's need for definitive advice!

I'm looking to change my wheels over for the winter. I have the standard bottle jack which comes with the car (a new 110) and a 3 tonne high lift trolley jack (which I use to change wheels on the Range Rover).

So, my question is, do I:

(1) use the trolley jack, resting the flat pad on the differential (I have axle stands if considered necessary for a quick wheel change). I assume if you lift on the differential then you can change both wheels on the particular axle at the same time as the entire front/rear of the car will be lifted?

(2) use the trolley jack, but resting the flat pad somewhere along the axle (is this secure - a flat pad lifting a round axle)?

(3) use the bottle jack (I assume that the jack will have the little axle cradle)?

I prefer the idea of using the trolley jack (I assume more stable than a bottle jack, as long as I use the right jacking point?).

I have two wheel chocks to use too.

Thanks for any help
Post #377266 8th Dec 2014 2:49pm
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JAY BOY



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I would use the trolley jack Thumbs Up
Post #377269 8th Dec 2014 2:57pm
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munch90



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don't jack on the round tube

I personally don't like lifting on the diff casing as it lifts at a bit of a angle , I always jack up with two trolley jacks one on each radius arm ( ok I know not every one has two trolley jacks )

or jack one corner at a time

on some jacks the cradle/dish/pad is not big enough for the diff to sit in properly

or get yourself a trolley jack 4x4 adaptor like eBay item number:

eBay Item No. 251286667746


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Post #377273 8th Dec 2014 3:16pm
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mikeh501



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i use a trolley jack and only do 1 wheel at a time (underneath where the spring mount point is - radius arm/trailing arm). Doing the whole axles would be too dangerous (for me, on my own, on my somewhat uneven drive)
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zone30



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I use a troley jack one wheel at a time: either under diff or the radius arm end as per workplace manual.
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Fellrunner



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Thanks Guys, I appreciate your help.

So, the trolley jack it is then. I'm happy not to lift on the diff (even though it's what the workshop manual states). I was nervous of it being off centre, and unfortunately I can't take the pad off my trolley jack in order to fit the off-centre diff jacking arm which looks like a great tool!).

So that means I need to lift one wheel at a time, placing the trolley jack under the radius arm.

Next novice question (we all have to start somewhere I guess!), can someone please confirm I'm selecting the right bit. I've taken a photo under my car, am I right in the yellow shading as being the bottom of the radius arm where I should place the jack lifting pad (and not the red or green shaded bits being the bottom of the axle).

Thanks again


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Post #377283 8th Dec 2014 3:42pm
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mk1collector



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Thumbs Up yellow is right
Post #377285 8th Dec 2014 3:44pm
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ARC99



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Thumbs Up +1 for yellow but be careful not to catch steering linkage. Don't make old people mad.
We don't like being old in the first place,
so it doesn't take much to Censored us off.

Richard
Post #377290 8th Dec 2014 3:50pm
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Retroanaconda



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Personally I wouldn't jack on the radius arm, means the weight of the vehicle is being taken on the bushes.

Jacking on the axle tube is absolutely fine, then put the stand on the tube as well - under the spring seat.
Post #377404 8th Dec 2014 8:08pm
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Fellrunner



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Exactly how much does a 110 tilt over when jacking using the differential? Given that the front/rear wheels remain on the floor, is it really unstable? I've just found a workshop manual on the internet and it only states the diff as a jacking point. All I need is enough clearance to get the wheels off.
Post #377408 8th Dec 2014 8:15pm
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Retroanaconda



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It'd likely be fine. Personally I just take each wheel off separately and work on it with the car on one stand. If for whatever reason you wish to have both wheels off just take them off in turn.
Post #377410 8th Dec 2014 8:22pm
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Macpaul



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Retroanaconda wrote:
Personally I wouldn't jack on the radius arm, means the weight of the vehicle is being taken on the bushes.

Jacking on the axle tube is absolutely fine, then put the stand on the tube as well - under the spring seat.


Spot on.

The steering on my 2013 USW felt distinctly less precise after jacking on the radius arm and (as he says) therefore on the bushes, which I'm sure have suffered as a result. 2003 Td5 110 Hardtop
Now a 2013 110 USW too.
Post #377489 9th Dec 2014 1:56am
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blackwolf



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The dynamic loading on the bushes (torque reaction) when driving is likely to be greater than the static load caused by jacking. I find it hard to believe that a bush in good condition would be affected in this way.
Post #377522 9th Dec 2014 10:52am
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Retroanaconda



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Quite possibly so, but why bother when it's so easy to jack on the axle tube and avoid the risk all together?
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Fellrunner



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Guys

My head is about to explode Very Happy Some are adamant that the radius arm is right, others that the axle should be used, and then the workshop manual states that it should be the diff alone and no other part is to be used?

I think that what takes me most by surprise and leaves me confused, is why are there so many different approaches used when the manual is so black and white?

Questions, questions ...

Very Happy
Post #377650 9th Dec 2014 8:21pm
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