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| Iktank Member Since: 08 Nov 2014 Location: Porthcawl Posts: 237   
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Hi all
Just bought a new Defender 90 with the Puma 2.2 Having occasional juddering/kangarooing in first and second, second more prominant Is there a fix for this from LR, when you talk to them they say there is no issue recorded Will a performance remap help the situation Sorry if this has already been covered, new to the site and not found search function Last edited by Iktank on 8th Nov 2014 9:52pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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8th Nov 2014 3:34pm |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610  
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Search function is fifth link along from 'Home' in the blue strip under the title header. Use 'rev hang' as your search subject. It is a common issue and one I believe there is still no fix for.
There are even a couple of Kangaroos in the search to keep yours company...... 
http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic32309.html?highlight=rev+hang http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic20992.html?highlight=rev+hang  If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!
Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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8th Nov 2014 4:36pm |
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| redzob Member Since: 16 Jul 2014 Location: St. Peter Port Posts: 137  
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Mine does the same. Im wondering if we should all approach the new LR rep on this site for a response? Even my independent landy mechanic was saying he'd seen this behaviour on most of the 2.2s he'd done work on. Defender Puma 2.2 XS 90
Vespa GTS 300 Way too many racing bikes. |
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8th Nov 2014 9:25pm |
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| Iktank Member Since: 08 Nov 2014 Location: Porthcawl Posts: 237
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Done about 500 miles in it this week, only caught me out a few times, had to change my driving style.
- Don't ride the clutch, let it out then apply throttle as apposed to riding clutch and throttle at same time, this goes against my driving style for the last 30 years of combined clutch/throttle but getting there. But should not be like this no reason why this cant be re-programmed - if LR cant/wont surely there must be someone who can Wife currently cant cope with it but she is adapting - but she doesn't have to she has a Range Rover with auto box only has to cope with mine occasionally |
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8th Nov 2014 9:59pm |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610
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Unfortunately no! Quote from just a few days ago..... If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!! Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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8th Nov 2014 10:11pm |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3248  
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Had exactly the same problem on my 2013 2.2.
Pete (BAS) mapped it at the end of September and now 95% of the time there is no kangaroo effect in first or second. It does happen occasionally but that is normally due to the drivers advancing years and forgetting what he did yesterday 
Bob 2015 Jaguar XE240 R Sport - goes like ....... !! 2013 Defender 90 CSW - sold 2009 Defender 110 Double Cab - sold 2001 TD5 90 CSW - offroad project - sold to a forum member 2011 Porsche Boxster - for the sunny days ! |
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8th Nov 2014 10:34pm |
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| rover Member Since: 26 May 2012 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 146
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Redzob.
It may be worth trying the land rover customer relations guy but I let his predecessor know about my problems with the drivability of my 110. He said take it to the dealer, I did and they updated the ecu, made only a slight difference but still awful to drive in low gears at low speed. How come my wife's Volvo c30 can trundle along in 2nd gear at low revs nice and smoothly where my defender can not without lurching, kangarooing and juddering. I have driven just about every type of series and defender and the 2.2 is the worst at low speed low gears. I do not see why I should have to pay £500 for a remap, it should be right from the start. In my eyes land rover have lost all credibility and unless they are selling £60,000 tarts handbags they are not interested. Sorry about being negative just p-ss-ed off with land rover at the mo. |
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9th Nov 2014 9:50am |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610
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A remap does NOT guarantee to cure the issue. Your £500 could in all likelihood be a complete waste of money if it's a cure you're after. The 'rev hang' is 'supposed' to make gear changing easier? If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!
Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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9th Nov 2014 9:56am |
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| Iktank Member Since: 08 Nov 2014 Location: Porthcawl Posts: 237
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I'm ok with driving it, already changed my style to suit wife is having difficulty - sod her Defenders mine, Range Rover hers
I have asked LR if there is anything that can be done in writing - aint gona hold my breath Thanks all for input - at least I know where we are with this Basically - live with it or sell it, I know I'll live with it |
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9th Nov 2014 10:13am |
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| Howard650 Member Since: 25 Aug 2014 Location: York Posts: 14 
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Had the same problem with my 2012 110 when I got her but now after a couple of thousand miles have got the driving style sorted. To start with I was pretty shocked but after talking to Pete at BAS about a remap to try and resolve the issue he told me to basically train my right foot to overcome the problem before spending 500 quid.
I took his advice and stuck with it. Still I think I will go for the remap once my warranty is up. |
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9th Nov 2014 8:48pm |
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| JAY BOY Member Since: 04 May 2010 Location: Not here Posts: 1706
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I thought it was me.
Mine is the same, i thought id forgotten how to drive a vehicle with gears and a clutch. I will try and change the way i drive it. Thanks for the advise again chaps |
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9th Nov 2014 8:56pm |
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| Howard650 Member Since: 25 Aug 2014 Location: York Posts: 14
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Stick with it Jay Boy!
It's just getting over the habit of feeding the revs in whilst coming off the clutch for getting rid of the "Clunk" on gear change. The "Kangaroo" feature is just getting over desire to hover on the throttle on the first 33%. It takes a bit of getting used to I have to admit and is pretty bad on LR's part but with a bit of perseverance the problem can be overcome. Pete at BAS was good to talk to about the issue and also very reassuring as I had concerns. Once mastered though it is pretty satisfying and the vehicle becomes the pleasure to drive it should be. |
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9th Nov 2014 9:11pm |
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| Spookytooth Member Since: 19 Jan 2014 Location: Lincolnshire Posts: 202 
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Please do not listen to all this nonsense about 'learning how to drive', all it can do is mitigate the issue not resolve it. Adopting driving technique is essential when you have a problem, however, to start from the premis that the Defender is a problem does nothing to resolve the basic issue that there is a problem, it just gets you by until the problem is resolved. I accept that some people are happy within themselves by convincing themselves that they can overcome the issue by using their superior driving skills which they assume other mere mortals cannot replicate and therefore they are in some way superior, however, the basic truth is the Defender is a Pig and not fit for purpose. Unfortunately I love mine!
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9th Nov 2014 11:02pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Thats's a little harsh.
I've never really suffered from the issue but have occassionally felt the symptoms. I would have to say I'm in the camp that says there is a particular way to drive a modern Defender to ensure this does not happen. Many cars, past & present have particular traits to driving them at their best, they only become problems if you don't learn the appropriate techniques. It's nothing to do with being a superior driver, I'm sure all can learn. It's about being mechanically sympathetic. Perhaps, it's to do with the anti-stall software and maybe more time coding could reduce or even eliminate the issue but then perhaps there would be a trade off in another area of the performance? |
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10th Nov 2014 9:13am |
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