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| AndyS Member Since: 18 Aug 2012 Location: London Posts: 595   
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I think no, as long as you service it at a regular mileage, say 15-20,000 miles then it'll be fine. I did the first dealer service because I think that's the most important one of all, to make sure it's been built properly and get that original oil out but I skipped the second service and it's currently in having it's year three service at the moment at 30,000 miles.
I wouldn't bother with LR once it's out of warranty, their prices are much too high for a non-warranty vehicle. If you service the car at LR and do the average 12,000 miles a year then you're looking at 6p per mile in service costs which is silly. |
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24th Sep 2014 9:28am |
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| Cheshire110 Member Since: 26 Jul 2013 Location: Cheshire/London Posts: 2753
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Just my two cents: mine was LR serviced the first 4 times, but after the warranty ran out I've done it myself.
I still fill in the book etc and do everything that's required. On top of that I do an extra engine oil/filter change every 6k miles just because from other cars experience in my family it's never a bad thing, and it runs noticeably sweeter after an oil change. A full B service costs around £70-100 depending where you get it, and a few hours of your time. The first time is the hardest and you'll need the right sockets etc. there's a good guide here http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic8707.html Also remember: A) change the fuel filter - it isn't often changed even at LR because it's not a scheduled change item, just has to be changed 'as required' rather than yearly or whatever. I change it every 12-18 months which is enough judging by is state when it comes out. It could make 2-3 years but I'm over cautious. B) you should keep getting the 'corrosion check' done by LR, my local do it for free and sign the box in the service book. May come to need it a few years down the line! Cheers, David Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8. |
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24th Sep 2014 9:45am |
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| SupraAyf Member Since: 08 Sep 2014 Location: Durham Posts: 142 
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Some people will think it's an excessive practice but I change the oil every 6-months.
My annual mileage will be no more than 4,500 made up of lots of small trips only. - Andrew - |
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24th Sep 2014 10:38am |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8021  
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mine is serviced by LR every 12mths or 12k miles which ever is sooner currently. i get a good rate, otherwise i would do it myself/use indi.
i also change the engine oil and filter every 6k miles. i tend to do axles after any wading and tbox/brake fluid, pads etc i do as required in schedule. i drop the engine oil & change filter a min of once a year or half the service interval mileage on all our vehicles, and oil change is only a few £££ and the engine is pretty important. Traybacks only done 600miles in 3 ish years and had an engine oil change every other event! Cheers James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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24th Sep 2014 10:51am |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5695 
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Do mine myself every 5 thousand miles. So about three times a year. Prefer to over do than under do.
Andy |
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24th Sep 2014 6:57pm |
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| GUM97 Member Since: 05 Feb 2012 Location: Cheshire Posts: 3555 
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Fuel filters are changed as standard on every 'B' Service, so every 24 Months/24,000 miles  An engine to TDi for!
"Land Rover- Proudly turning drivers into mechanics since 1948"  |
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24th Sep 2014 7:52pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8021
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can fuel filters be changed without STTE? Cheers
James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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24th Sep 2014 8:01pm |
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| grizz Member Since: 31 Aug 2014 Location: cheshire Posts: 208 
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As long as all the parts used are genuine and it's done by a garage your warranty is still valid .
I own a garage and service cars still under the original warranty with no problems . Last edited by grizz on 24th Sep 2014 8:05pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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24th Sep 2014 8:04pm |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558 
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read this if you think changing oil more regularly is a good thing , taken from a study by a oil company Engine oils are subjected to a series of industry standard engine dynamometer tests to measure their wear protection capability, sludge and varnish formation tendencies, and fuel efficiency among several other performance attributes before they are approved for use in customer engines. However, these performance attributes are measured at the end of tests and therefore, do not provide any information on how the properties have changed during the tests. In one of our previous studies it was observed that engine oil samples collected from fleet vehicles after 12,000 mile drain interval showed 10-15% lower friction and more importantly, an order of magnitude lower wear rate than those of fresh oils. It was also observed that the composition of the tribochemical films formed was quite different on the surface tested with the drain oils from those formed with fresh oils. The objective of this investigation is to demonstrate how the friction and wear performance changed with oil drain intervals. A fleet of three vehicles was run in Las Vegas and oil samples were collected at various drain intervals from 3,000 miles to 15,000 miles. As in the previous study, the results showed that the aged engine oils provide lower friction and much improved wear protection capability. These improvements were observed as early as the 3,000 mile drain interval and continued to the 15,000 mile drain interval. The composition of tribochemical films formed on the surface with the 3,000 mile drain interval is similar to that formed with the 12,000 mile drain interval as seen before. These findings could be an enabler for achieving longer drain interval although several other factors must to be considered. and three times a year your starting your engine with no oil pressure and the oil that is going round is full of air pockets , your oil pressure switch for your oil pressure light on the dash may only take 5-8 psi to put light out your engine really needs upward of 40 psi you wouldn't get full pressure for quite a few secs maybe longer after oil change |
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24th Sep 2014 8:04pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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^^ mmmmhhhhh, interesting. Is there a business opportunity lurking here for the entrepreneur amongst us?
May start to collect for free the used engine oils from dealers, and offer this at a premium price to people who want to put an oil in their engine with optimal, that is better than new, lubricating capabilities. 
Same time may also start recuperating old propshaft grease which maybe has better greasing capacities than all that new clean smear. 
I now have to stop using that Swiss BP Ultimate, and go back to the cheapest available French supermarket diesel which undoubtedly must be better for my Puma too.  You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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25th Sep 2014 3:45am |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5695
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I'll stick to my regular changes thanks. Always worked well for me.
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25th Sep 2014 5:49am |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731  
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Joking aside, Munch, that is very interesting
 Especially when people shun the manufacturer-recommended change intervals and do it almost daily (I used to be one).
In any event, it provides a balanced opinion. Thanks
*edit* just started looking into this. Not sure where the figures come from (hopefully not all the same unreliable source) but there is a lot of info out there, e.g. http://www.edmunds.com/car-care/stop-changing-your-oil.html Tell someone you love them today because life is short. But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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25th Sep 2014 6:11am |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558
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I have never believed new oil to be better than used oil , yes you can get oil that is too old and depends what conditions the car is under ,
it was always said by old lorry mechanics (not modern fitters ) that the lorry engines done more miles and engines lasted longer because of the black carbon in the oil acts as a polishing agent bit like the black in cv grease and I think there is some truth in that im not saying leave it longer than it should be , but I would say 10,000-12,000 / 12 months is fine and even if you only do 4000 miles a year other things ( brakes etc ) are still rusting and seizing up so a service is not about just your oil I also believe paying for the most expensive oil is a waste of money , descent branded is all you need ( is it the old greengrocers trick of the same apples from the same box marked up 50p more and they sell better than the cheaper ones ) oil is meant to be better nowdays and machining surfaces and materials are better than years ago , so oil should last longer any way and most engines break now days and not wear out and oil is not the main factor in something breaking ! ok you get more power from a modern diesel but most of that is from efficiency , old diesel ran 22-24 compression ratios , modern diesels run much lower 16-18 compression ratios so nowhere near the load on crank and pistons older diesels had to run basically pinking (pre ignition , that's what causes the diesel knock noise ) all the time , modern diesels can get round with electronics the need for this by running less degrees of advance (less pinking) modern diesel burns cleaner , piston rings seal better so build up should be less anyway ok fitting a turbo puts more thermo stress on the oil , but we have oil coolers for that so are modern diesels under that much more stress , not really I think I change oil roughly once a year (I don't do high mileage )and fill up with what ever diesel fuel I get to ( sometimes cheap sometimes expensive ) and believe my engine etc will last as long as any ones engine |
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25th Sep 2014 7:23am |
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| mark_d Member Since: 07 Sep 2013 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 266 
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My economy improved by a couple of mpg after changing the oil from Millers to Castrol Magnatec (same spec) - there must be something better about the Castrol. http://defender90xs.blogspot.co.uk/
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25th Sep 2014 8:22pm |
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