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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3248   
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If you have read the post 'Clutch Death Rattle' you will be aware of the problem my 09 110 has.
In summary - new clutch fitted during service - now clutch engages at 23 mm off floor instead of 50 + mm - vehicle is undrivable. Dealer has fitted another new clutch, two slave cylinders, new master cylinder, new pipes, adaptor supposed to resolve issue. Clutch removed and fitted to another defender - result perfect ! LR tech support have no idea- in fact we think they are actually on extended tea break 
Ralton in SA had a similar problem that was fixed by a setting change or adjustment - he has kindly contacted his dealer and is still waiting to hear back. Grockle has eliminated the brake vacuum pump. So, the dealer serviced the vehicle, adjusted the transfer box, applied the latest Qv68 patch and did some bodywork issues. When I got the vehicle back there was dirty engine oil dripping from the nearside underneath the area of the vacuum pump - hence my question on the other post about is it connected to the clutch in any way. Does anybody have any idea what the problem could be ? Stupid ideas I have include transfer box (eliminated so far by dealer), ecu setting, something to do with the anti stall ? So, can we, as a forum solve the problem before Land Rover ? Maybe I should start some form of sweepstake as to what the problem is ? Any thoughts greatly received 
Bob |
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7th Jul 2010 5:50pm |
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| NoDo$h Member Since: 18 Aug 2007 Location: Buried in deer guts in Dorset Posts: 972 
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Enough fluid in the clutch master cylinder?
54 Freelander modded for mud 2008 D3 SE 2010 90 XS SW 1978 88 Series 3 undergoing surgery with a new owner 2007 90 County Truck Cab - gone 2006 D3 SE - gone 2004 Freelander Sport - gay 1999 Disco V8 ES rotted to bits |
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7th Jul 2010 11:05pm |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3248
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Thanks Guys.
Fluid levels are OK, dealer has checked numerous times. On the Td5 there was a box under the coolant bottle, lid held on by six screws with a switch attached. If the cover of this was removed it revealed a bar with some half lock nuts. This was used to adjust the clutch pedal position and the grab point. Does this exist on the puma - for some reason I can't nip out and check mine
Hope it is not the engine or gearbox - they were fine and would hate to have them replaced. Bob |
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8th Jul 2010 7:17am |
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| Allan Member Since: 09 Sep 2009 Location: Perth Posts: 166  
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Re the clutch take up/adjustment, years ago pressure plates could be adjusted but since the advent of the diaphram clutch its no longer an option. Soething very odd if its ok in another vehicle. Can the peddle stroke be adjusted in Puma,s. Good luck I hope you get to the bottom of your problems.
Allan |
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8th Jul 2010 7:33am |
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| Allan Member Since: 09 Sep 2009 Location: Perth Posts: 166
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Hi again Bob,
I've just checked the Puma workshop manual and yes the pedal travel is adjustable. The clutch pedal travel should be set at 135mm in total. The base of the pedal should be 140mm measured in a straight line to the floor of the vehicle. Regarding the ECU involvement, there is a sensor fitted to the clutch master cylinder and a peak torque limiter fitted to the slave cylinder that limits hydraulic fluid flow, if, for instance, your foot slips from the pedal when wet. This is to reduce possible damage to the drive train, may be worth a question to the dealer if this could be the cause, just a stab in the dark but who knows. Good luck. Allan |
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8th Jul 2010 8:30am |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3248
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Thanks Allan
Phoning the dealer shortly. Bob |
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8th Jul 2010 8:51am |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3248
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Dealer has had to get some special equipment in to 'pressure bleed' the clutch as advised by LR
Bet it does not work
Bob |
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9th Jul 2010 10:28am |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3248
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Didn't work
LR engineers will be at the dealer on Monday. Bob |
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9th Jul 2010 2:45pm |
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| Allan Member Since: 09 Sep 2009 Location: Perth Posts: 166
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Good luck on Monday, I would get pi..ed over the weekend and not think about it. This is what my wife advised me to do and I will listen to her direction because my clutch still has a death rattle and I wish to thump the dealer.
Something needs sorting with this Ford lump of crap under my very good Land Rover. What a great vehicle if they had moded the TD5 or detuned the D3 engine. You can tell its the end of the Defender and they don't care. We are the poor cousens. Allan |
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9th Jul 2010 4:04pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035  
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Keep your chins up - they do work they can be great.
Mike |
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9th Jul 2010 4:40pm |
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| alantd Member Since: 14 Dec 2008 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 1513 
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Bob,
I scanned the 'clutch death rattle' post but couldn't see the exact symptoms described. If your clutch has been fitted to another Defender and is "fine" then it clearly isn't the fault. Mine went in a couple of years ago with a "chatter" or "clonk" from the transmission. It turned out to be a badly adjusted handbrake. Symptoms were (when warm) coasting to a stop (in gear, or out; clutch in, or out) it would sound like the whole transmission was shaking itself to bits (which it was) at a frequency of around 2Hz. It sounded terrible (clonk a clonk a clonk) and I could feel the vibration. Solution was to adjust the handbrake. The dealer had to do it a couple of times and it stayed away for a year or so. I've just noticed it starting to do it again so I'm going to ditch the drum brake in favour of an X-brake. It may well be nothing like what you're describing but if you're fishing for ideas... HTH Alan One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS + New Defender 110 First Edition |
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16th Jul 2010 3:07pm |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3248
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Alan
My symptoms were the change from first to second and second to third were very notchy and there was a slight rattle. The new clutch was fine, but the bite point was virtually on the floor. They put the clutch into another vehicle to prove to themselves that it was OK. The eventual solution was hinted at in my second post on this topic. The LR engineer came down from Solihull and the problem was an adjustment to the clutch mechanism/adjusting rods. These are supposed to be set for life from the factory. So now, believe it or not, the gear change is excellent - it only cost LR two clutches, two master cylinders, two slave cylinders, pipes and who knows what else to sort out a job that, in the end, took 30 minutes ! This is now the third clutch that I have had fitted and it is far superior to the others. I also had the transfer box adjusted plus the dealer did some work on the selectors. Once it has bedded in I hope it will be even better ! Bob |
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16th Jul 2010 3:42pm |
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| Allan Member Since: 09 Sep 2009 Location: Perth Posts: 166
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Hi again Bob, just a couple of questions re your clutch disfunction. 1; was noise/rattle evident at engine start -stop if clutch dis engaged? 2. If clutch did display these symptoms, were they evident when clutch was engaged? 3 Did transmission display a chattering noise in 1st gear at low rpm, especialy when hot and under load? 4 Was a noise evident when vehicle was ideling in neut. and clutch engaged and dis engaged, . Any constructive input would help.
Allan |
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16th Jul 2010 4:18pm |
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