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jomara

Member Since: 26 Oct 2009
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 1790

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black

Defender New Style Keys & Puma 2.2 ECU

Just got a great deal from this seller

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/skempson-uk/m.ht...1439.l2654

on 2no new style defender keys & a "spare" ECU for taking to Mr Bell, very good to deal with!!

Click image to enlarge 2014 110 2.2TDCi XS Station wagon
1971 Bowler Tomcat 88 4.2 V8 Auto
2022 110 D250 XS Edition - Gone
2024 110 D250 X-Dynamic HSE

11th Jun 2014 11:55am

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20446

Are the new fobs backwards compatible if programmed to earlier models of Puma?

11th Jun 2014 12:10pm

jomara

Member Since: 26 Oct 2009
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 1790

As far as Ive been told they are fully compatible with the 10AS units once coded but I've just emailed a contact in a dealership parts dept to make sure, get back to you soon Steve.

Cheers
John 2014 110 2.2TDCi XS Station wagon
1971 Bowler Tomcat 88 4.2 V8 Auto
2022 110 D250 XS Edition - Gone
2024 110 D250 X-Dynamic HSE

11th Jun 2014 12:25pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20446

Thank-you, I'd be interested to know.

11th Jun 2014 12:48pm

jomara

Member Since: 26 Oct 2009
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 1790

I'm waiting to hear back just now, in the meantime I'm going try to find someone in my area with a Nanocom and see if we can code the keys in.

Keep you in the loop Steve. 2014 110 2.2TDCi XS Station wagon
1971 Bowler Tomcat 88 4.2 V8 Auto
2022 110 D250 XS Edition - Gone
2024 110 D250 X-Dynamic HSE

11th Jun 2014 1:53pm

Lorryman100

Member Since: 01 Oct 2010
Location: Here
Posts: 2686

Jomara (John) very kindly gave me the 2 key fobs as he has done a deal with the dealers

Big thanks to John for the fobs and sorry I kept you gabbing for so long

Any ways once I got home I noticed that they were the 434mhz version were as the frequency on my 2009 10AS is 433.90 mhz. With this in mind today I got out the laptop and MSV and attempted to code them to my Puma.

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I relearned the 2 OEM fobs and they were coded in 3 presses of the lock button. I gave up on the new fobs after 40 presses. So I then swapped out the batteries on both new fobs after checking the voltage of the new batteries on a DMM. They use the same battery as the old fob, CR2032.

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With new batteries fitted I tried again to pair them to the 10AS with no luck. Next option is to do a RF test on the 10AS which allows any similar frequency non paired fob to operate the CDL when enabled. Again the 2 oem fobs worked but the new fobs did not, so I now knew what I suspected when I originally noticed the different frequencies, they don't work on my Puma.

I let John know so he could have them back and he has suggested we offer them to a forum member for a small donation to Martin plus postage. They will work on any LR alarm system on 434mhz, Evoque and the new 2.2 TDCi Pumas are two LR's that I am aware off. If anybody wants them pm me your details and I will get them off to you soon as. :thumbsup:

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29th Jun 2014 6:02pm

jomara

Member Since: 26 Oct 2009
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 1790

Brilliant write up Brian

2014 110 2.2TDCi XS Station wagon
1971 Bowler Tomcat 88 4.2 V8 Auto
2022 110 D250 XS Edition - Gone
2024 110 D250 X-Dynamic HSE

29th Jun 2014 6:26pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20446

That's a shame they don't work.

I wish there was all in one keys that had a better design than those currently available.
I.e. A more square design would be much much more appealing to me and IMO suits the Defender better.
I like these ( key on the right)

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Which is a Nissan Navara key.

29th Jun 2014 7:14pm

borderterrier

Member Since: 09 Dec 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1677

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green

You going to have the ecu chipped or use as a spare for visits to the dealer.

29th Jun 2014 7:17pm

jomara

Member Since: 26 Oct 2009
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 1790

It's going be remapped and the original kept for dealer visits

2014 110 2.2TDCi XS Station wagon
1971 Bowler Tomcat 88 4.2 V8 Auto
2022 110 D250 XS Edition - Gone
2024 110 D250 X-Dynamic HSE

29th Jun 2014 8:11pm

borderterrier

Member Since: 09 Dec 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1677

Interested in the keys. Did you buy those too?

29th Jun 2014 8:22pm

jomara

Member Since: 26 Oct 2009
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 1790

Yes bought them to try and see if they were programmable to the 10AS unit, thanks to Brian's help we now know they aren't backward compatible!! Brian has the 2 new style fobs drop him a PM and he will arrange something with you.

Cheers
John 2014 110 2.2TDCi XS Station wagon
1971 Bowler Tomcat 88 4.2 V8 Auto
2022 110 D250 XS Edition - Gone
2024 110 D250 X-Dynamic HSE

29th Jun 2014 10:16pm

borderterrier

Member Since: 09 Dec 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1677

So they won't work with a 2013 2.2 Puma?

30th Jun 2014 4:46am

jomara

Member Since: 26 Oct 2009
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 1790

I bought them for my 2013 which had the original Lucas fobs but passed them along to Brian when I changed my car to a 14 model, Brian has all the diagnostic kit to pair them but found they're not compatible with the 10AS units in the 13 and previous cars:-( 2014 110 2.2TDCi XS Station wagon
1971 Bowler Tomcat 88 4.2 V8 Auto
2022 110 D250 XS Edition - Gone
2024 110 D250 X-Dynamic HSE

30th Jun 2014 5:25am

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20446

It seems then the new fobs will only work on a Defender which came with the new style fobs from the factory. Previous to that it won't work.

30th Jun 2014 9:10am

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