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| ARC99 Member Since: 19 Feb 2013 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 1831   
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If the residents of Scotland vote Yes, will the English Government,
1. send all the Scots members of the armed forces back to there home land as we cannot have foreigners in armed forces. 2. make all scots who live in this Country take a citizen test before they are allowed to remain living here. 3. Issue every Scot that lives south of the border with a work permit. 4. restrict the amount of time the unemployed Scots living south of the border have in which they must find employment or return to the County of origin. Don't make old people mad. We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't take much to  us off.
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8th Jun 2014 9:51am |
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| Oscar Romeo Member Since: 16 Apr 2014 Location: South Yorks, the pinnacle of all human achievement Posts: 121  
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Definitely out, once their gone and stopped leaching off us, the welsh next! Then every other part of England that doesn't end in orkshire
Get parliament back to York the rightful capital of England! And get Richard 111 buried back here too while we are at it.  |
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8th Jun 2014 3:03pm |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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Pam and Gum97: this is the off topic bit where we can express our views about how crap Britain is, amongst other things. Threads on off topic parts of forums often stray off the point. If you don't feel Britain is crap (and lots of it isn't) then say so or maybe don't contribute to the thread - your choice. But the only person qualified to say whether or not a thread should go off on how crap Britain is are the originator of the thread and Martin, the owner of the site. Nothing personal, and no argument intended, but no one is going to tell me that I shouldn't say things I want to say. Now left.
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8th Jun 2014 5:13pm |
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| Oscar Romeo Member Since: 16 Apr 2014 Location: South Yorks, the pinnacle of all human achievement Posts: 121
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Given Britain is apparently cr@p, no wonder they want ooot!
Joking apart, which is incidentally unlike me an otherwise out of character. This great nation called "the british isles" is as said great, not because we named it that but because it is fact! We TOGETHER invented just about every on the planet from tarmac to the internet! And enriched the lives of many species on this planet. The question should be who else has done more for mankind than the jocks, welsh and the english combine? A unique melting pot of genius that continues to evolve and grow! Provocative thread? Yeah i think so. Surprised by the extremist views? Naah In the words of Bill Hicks "its just a ride" Just a ride, just a ride Lee |
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8th Jun 2014 8:39pm |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295 
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Politics, probably only losing out to religion as potentially the most provocative subject to tackle on an ‘open’ forum, is bound to trigger emotions from time to time, my wife, a ‘lapsed catholic’ say’s ‘I don’t believe in anything’, which is wrong… I do believe there are no gods. Luckily we live in a country that protects the rights to free speech, with exceptions relating to hate, obscenity and defamation, political expression is given particular precedence and protection.
I hear much that I don’t agree with, but I’ll defend the right for it to be said. Great Britain…yes, I believe it’s great, we have like most countries a mixed present and past where dark episodes can be found, along with great ones; but having travelled and worked in many places around the world, there are few, if any, to match the best of the UK. Cr@p? I don’t see it, but maybe I have just been lucky...add ‘realist’ to Winston’s quote… and you have (IMO) the best way to proceed… "I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else." - Winston Churchill SKIP https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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9th Jun 2014 10:31am |
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| walfy Member Since: 29 Aug 2007 Location: Frome Posts: 2672 
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In reply to point 1, We have our great friends from Fiji, well most Scottish Battalions are full of them anyway but a few have managed to get into more English Regiments. And not forgetting the Ghurkas. Point 2. No test, just deport them Point 3. Refer to pint 2 Point 4 Refer to point 2. 110 D250 SE HT 110 USW SOLD RRE HSE Dynamic Gone, wife killed it VOLVO XC60 R Dynamic with some toys Polaris RZR 900XP SOLD |
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9th Jun 2014 10:49am |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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It will be weird if they really do go for independence. After all these years, the break-up of the Union! I must admit, if I were a Scot I'd want independence, but having sad that, financially - jeez are they going to struggle, or what? What are we, three months way from a momentous decision for Scots. I read a few weeks back on the colossal wrangling that would take place, on energy, pipes, cables, who pays for what, who is responsible for what. There would be lots of round-table meetings
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9th Jun 2014 12:35pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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My daughter in law is a Scot living in London and is absolutely mortified that she will not have a say. For the record she is dead against it as are her entire family who will have a say.
To me it seems a little unfair that they have changed the voting rules to allow 16yr olds to vote but don't allow Scots living in the rest of the UK to vote. Barbara |
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9th Jun 2014 12:54pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731  
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Is that rule decided by Salmond? So Scots who like living in the rest of the UK can't screw it up for him? Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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9th Jun 2014 1:29pm |
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| X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2295
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I agree ex Scots should also have the vote, I just don't know any that want Scotland to be an independent country.
I would prefer to maintain the union and manage it from a position of unity, which if imbalanced should be corrected, through negotiation. Whilst our ‘ranking’ of politicians is rightly so, at a near an all time low, I don’t see that Alex Salmond has made a case for taking Scotland out, and (somewhat based on a gut feel) his motives look to me, to be more based on making history first. My wife was born in Scotland and went to university there, we got married there, and we have friend and relatives there, from a small (but closer to the issue poll) they don’t want to leave the union. If the opinion polls are correct, it would seem that around 60% want to stay 40% want to leave and there is a prediction that the eventual figures could be closer to our poll, 70% stay 30% go. I also don’t believe that Scotland would make a better job of running things if it were a separate country and could find itself weakened as a result, would it have saved UBS on its own?. Un-scientific … but look at the fiasco of building the Holyrood Parliament building, after devolution (>0.5B£), and the Edinburgh tram system, (1B£, now with an expensive inquiry having been announced) in this respect they are only as suspect as England when it comes to managing big ticket projects. It was Gordon Brown, our former ‘prudent’ (?) Scottish chancellor, who sold off an unbelievable amount (half !) of our nations gold (at the time, sitting at a 20 year low price) to continue to pay for his party’s policies. So much gold was sold, so quickly, that the market collapsed, with gold reaching even lower prices while further uk gold reserve auctions were made (17 in total)… I am no trader but this looks to me as utter madness, and we are all still paying for this. I know that equivalent stories can be found to counter this from the right, but as they have all but no presents in Scotland they won’t influence things with any outcome. I hope Scotland stays in, even if (like England) it gets things wrong on occasions, it is under the union ‘protection’ that we manage our islands affairs, economic and security. If they vote to go it alone then genuinely good luck to them. We will see on September the 18th SKIP https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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9th Jun 2014 1:41pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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There was a big topic in our TV news at lunch time today about the Scottish vote next week, and that suddenly the Yea-sayers are starting to outpace the Nay-sayers....
Is the Union Jack emblem on my truck going to become part of the history books soon? 
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8th Sep 2014 12:51pm |
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| JJ Member Since: 18 May 2009 Location: Winchester Posts: 932 
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It looks that way if the polls are to be believed. One thing we English have in common with the Scots is if you say we can't do it we are more likely to want to.
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8th Sep 2014 2:08pm |
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| Spookytooth Member Since: 19 Jan 2014 Location: Lincolnshire Posts: 202 
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Scotland have got nothing to lose so why wouldn't they vote yes? They will keep sterling regardless of what we say, they will borrow heavily and get into debt to pay for socialist policies, we will bail them out, they will make further demands on the UK to ease transition even though independent, we will give in to them, our pound will weaken and interest rates will rise, we will accept it, they will be even weaker on immigration (if that is possible) and it will be a back door for those that can't get through Calais, we will talk tough but accept it. That's just the way it is, and has been for many years now, there is just such a huge disconnect between the principals we respect and want to live by and what government does, nothing we say or think gets translated into meaningful action so if I was a Scot I would be thinking what have I got to lose (apart from a gradual recession to a third world country - only joking (I hope)).
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8th Sep 2014 5:36pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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Well if Scotland votes for independence then it should be full independence not the half baked Salmond version.
That means their own currency and their own central bank. They say they can be as successful as Norway and Denmark. Guess what they both have their own central bank. The Bank of England should not be the lender of last resort to a foreign country. What happen to GBP v USD and share value of Scottish companies this weekend when latest poll suggested it might be a Yes win. Both fell in value! An independent Scotland wants the oil field etc. I assume they want the RBS so presume they will reimburse the RUK taxpayer and take their share of the UK debt. Royal mail universal postage system will stop at the border. They want into the EU. Guess what they will have to stop discrimination against English students. Have his cake and eat it or what? Brendan |
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8th Sep 2014 7:11pm |
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