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landy andy



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2006 Defender 110 Td5 USW Zermatt Silver
Large voltage drop
On my 2.4 Tdci I get a large voltage drop on start up. I have only noticed it since fitting a battery monitor. Is this normal for the Tdci's?

Before turning ignition on voltage is 12.5, turn ignition on voltage drops to below 11.4, when you then crank to start it drops even lower and sets off the audible alarm, voltage stays low for a good few seconds before climbing up to about 14v.

Whilst looking into this I did notice this


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Any thoughts? I know glow plugs are thirsty but this looks like it been quite warm.

Andy
Post #318681 24th Mar 2014 12:59pm
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munch90



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voltage drop sounds about right depends on condition of battery

quite common for the heater connections to melt on transits ,sometimes melting the wire down the loom

would be worth checking there are no shorts to earth along glowplug link wire (common on transit)
plus check glowplugs are working now
and check that connection the melted one is tight
Post #318700 24th Mar 2014 1:58pm
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fatman



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I observed the very same thing.
I run 2 odyssey's PC1500 with a IBS split chargre and and RBM relay from same company.
I unlock the puma,voltage monitor shows 12.2-12.8 volts,turn ingition on,voltage dives as yours,wait till glow plugs light goes off an about extra 8 seconds later voltage goes up.
Even if i start the engine without waiting this much,charging level rises slowly up to 14+ volts,i can even see the interior light going brighter as if the split charge system acts like a voltage "cushion"??
Initially i thought the batteries are going to die soon..
Even when i link them together when i switch ign to on,same voltage drop at the monitor.
When i play with the nanocom,when switching between various ecus,same thing happen(like starting engine first time).
Like the split charge system transfers both batteries' energy to get it ready to start?
Or i don't want to face the truth that the batteries are dead.
Strange things also happen when winching,even with the batteries linked together(winch on main battery) the system doesn't allow much current to reach the winch or again the system masks the batteries' problem?
Post #319727 28th Mar 2014 9:25am
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munch90



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I fitted a fuse to the connection (the melted one in pic ) to try and protect the loom , seen some really burnt looms ,
I know there is a fuse under seat but dosnt blow before loom wire melts
Post #319730 28th Mar 2014 9:32am
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
I have noticed with my '07 Puma that there does indeed seem to be a substantial voltage drop when starting (which not surprising) but also that it takes a surprising time to stabilise at a normal charging voltage after starting.

This is most noticeable if you start the engine with a wet windscreen, and as soon as the engine is running turn the wipers on. The will be very slow for a sweep or two, then as the charging system settles down will accelerate to normal speed. It takes a few seconds for this to happen, something I have never, ever observed on any other vehicle.

I don't think it is necessarily indicative of a fault, however, it seems to be just another of the Defender's quirks.
Post #319783 28th Mar 2014 1:06pm
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munch90



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alternator is ecu controlled , ecu switches alternator on after a few seconds of running

a lot of modern cars are like this not like in days where alternator controlled its self
Post #319785 28th Mar 2014 1:18pm
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blackwolf



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Ah, interesting! Didn't know that!

That explains it then, thanks.
Post #319791 28th Mar 2014 1:34pm
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landy andy



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That makes sense then of the delayed recharge. Can stop worrying about t now. I knew something was going on Thumbs Up

Andy
Post #319947 29th Mar 2014 4:01am
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