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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610   
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It's a Ford Tranny engine....therein lies your answer. It should go on and on. Noworries 4X4 on here covers phenominal mileage in his and yes he has had issues recently in France but considering the mileage he covers two engine failures he still rates them.
http://www.defender2.net/forum/post294861.html#294861  If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!
Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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22nd Mar 2014 7:50am |
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| Regard Member Since: 08 Dec 2011 Location: RSA Posts: 251  
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Don't know about up north but here down south there there are a great amount of Pumas with over 200 000km on the clock.
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22nd Mar 2014 8:15am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17372 
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My '07 has 139k miles on the clock. It's just about 'run in' now.
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22nd Mar 2014 8:36am |
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| jimbob7 Member Since: 06 Jul 2013 Location: uk Posts: 2055 |
As others have said,it's no less reliable than any other engine really,I will stand corrected,but I believe the earlier Pumas' have or had clutch issues,so may be worth a thorough check when you test drive it. Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5.
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22nd Mar 2014 10:55am |
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| Gwynne_90 Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Southampton Posts: 15
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Anyone know about the following service bulletin - was it mandatory to all 2007 TDcis?
Land Rover Service Bulletin SSM38792, 2.4 Puma Engine Knock Noise. Title: 2.4 Puma Engine Knock Noise. Type: LD - Defender - All Years - Special Service Messages - Engine Name / Part No: SSM38792 Info Type: Service Bulletins Version No: 1 Date Uploaded: 21 Jul 2008 Models: LD - Defender Title: 2.4 Puma Engine Knock Noise. Last Modified: 21-JUL-2008 09:44 Category: Engine Symptom: 497000 Engine Noise Content Issue: Heavy audible knocking heard on start up. Cause: On start up oil pressures can cause the piston cooling jets, (PCJ), to latch into a zero flow condition. Due to hysteresis effect in design the jets do not unlatch until the engine is warm and the oil pressures lower again. During this time with no pressurized oil jet flow to the lower pistons / cylinder bores, overheat and scuff conditions / damage can occur. Action: Replace the engine assy but ensure only engines post serial # ELD00080707063602 are used. This condition will not occur on vehicles post assured Vin# 9A767162. Engines post the info above are fitted with modified PCJ internal springs and this issue is now closed. |
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22nd Mar 2014 12:07pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20347
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110k on me then Blackwolf.  $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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22nd Mar 2014 12:10pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17372
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Yes!
No, only affected vehicles. It is not clear at this time what happens if you suffer this now, out of warranty. LR may consider contributing to the cost. Check engine number or service history to find out if it's been done. |
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22nd Mar 2014 12:28pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17372
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Yup, filling the tank twice a week at the moment! 
And I do mean filling, not just topping up. |
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22nd Mar 2014 12:32pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20347
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Ouch and on a 110 too.
 $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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22nd Mar 2014 1:04pm |
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| martinfiattech Member Since: 13 Nov 2013 Location: leicester Posts: 422 
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We have the 2.2 in our ducato and the 2.4 in the ldv convoy some die at 60,000 miles dodgy injector smashed piston, others get to 150,000 miles then the cam shaft carrier cracks a well known dura torque engine issue especially when hammered.
Theres always the timming chains but they rattle when cold and give plenty of warning. We had one get to 456.000 miles in a mini bus it was a 2005 model ldv in the end the bottom end let go. Shame as the owner needed it for a few more months until he retired ! These engines are all in vans given little respect always hammered, usually with little or no oil them. I`am presently fighting with a 2011 parts van with a 2.2 unit with 110,000 miles behind it the engines fine but the recurrent maf / egr fault is getting annoying its looking like the ecu may be faulty due to the amount of water and corrosion in the loom and multy plugs |
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22nd Mar 2014 3:34pm |
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| Cuthbert Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: Up North Posts: 1535 |
Whenever I see the 'Ford' badge on a product I think "Value engineered - designed to a low cost and then redesigned to save further costs and then the supplier of every component has shaved even further costs out of each part".
Having once bought a Ford car I quickly realised why they would never ever compete with the premium brands. I was however impressed at how one part could fit a myriad of different vehicles in the Ford range. 'Mondeo Man' and 'White Van' man are their core customers and that's where they make their money. Just look at their attempts to move up-market with Volvo, Jaguar and Land Rover - don't think they ever got to grips with the requirements of those customers. At least if my Defender engine implodes, explodes or just expires gently, there's usually a bloke in a rickety shed down by the canal who can transplant another unit. |
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22nd Mar 2014 7:18pm |
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| Dieselhead Member Since: 21 Oct 2012 Location: Pulborough. West Sussex Posts: 552 |
A mates 2009 is soon to hit 100k
No problems with the engine apart from 2 EGR valves & a MAF sensor Thats that Chris
2008 XS 110 2.4 Utility. Tonga Green 1953 Series 1 for restoration 1983 Mini Mayfair 2004 VW T5 Camper 2008 Diahatsu Sirion. Thats hers Classic Bolens Garden Tractors |
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22nd Mar 2014 8:02pm |
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| Toplink Member Since: 05 Dec 2010 Location: Somerset Posts: 159
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[quote="Gwynne_90"]Anyone know about the following service bulletin - was it mandatory to all 2007 TDcis?
Land Rover Service Bulletin SSM38792, 2.4 Puma Engine Knock Noise. Title: 2.4 Puma Engine Knock Noise. Type: LD - Defender - All Years - Special Service Messages - Engine Name / Part No: SSM38792 Info Type: Service Bulletins Version No: 1 Date Uploaded: 21 Jul 2008 Models: LD - Defender Title: 2.4 Puma Engine Knock Noise. Last Modified: 21-JUL-2008 09:44 Category: Engine Symptom: 497000 Engine Noi Content Issue: Heavy audible knocking heard on start up. Cause: On start up oil pressures can cause the piston cooling jets, (PCJ), to latch into a zero flow condition. Due to hysteresis effect in design the jets do not unlatch until the engine is warm and the oil pressures lower again. During this time with no pressurized oil jet flow to the lower pistons / cylinder bores, overheat and scuff conditions / damage can occur. Action: Replace the engine assy but ensure only engines post serial # ELD00080707063602 are used. This condition will not occur on vehicles post assured Vin# 9A767162. Engines post the info above are fitted with modified PCJ internal springs and this issue is now closed.[/quote] Just read this and looked at my VIN and mine now knocks when cold stops after 2 miles. 84k on the clock and oil changed every 6k.
I think I will just drive it on and see what happens Its never over in my land rover. 2007 Defender HTop. 1952 Series One 80" 1977 Muir-Hill 111. 2014 Triumph Tiger800xc 1999 Discovery 2 td5 1982 Ransomes TSR300D. 2002 Yamaha XT600e. 2010 Freelander2 (the wifes) 2008 John Deere X140 |
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23rd Mar 2014 8:36pm |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586 
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may be the clutch if it knock at engine stop Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition
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25th Mar 2014 1:43pm |
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