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| Pickles Member Since: 26 May 2013 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3785   
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This will NEVER work, unless some "Do-Gooders" in England allow the Scots to "have their cake, and eat it".
By that I mean, if the Scots want their "Independance", & they vote for it, well fair enough, but in that case they need to know that there will be NO, & I mean NO support whatsoever from England, in any way. I mean, why should the people of England & Wales & Ireland support Scotland. If the vote goes through, Scotland are saying that we don't want anything to do with the UK, well fair enough, let 'em do it, but not on the basis that they will get any sort of support from the rest of the U.K. IMHO of course, because I'm a long way away,but I am an "Old Pom", & I'm proud of my English heritage. Cheers, Pickles. |
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13th Feb 2014 8:03pm |
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| Mean Green Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: South Ayrshire Posts: 280 
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Surely I am not going to be the only bone fide Scot to reply
To be honest I am well and truly on the fence. However, there are a few things that are really starting to annoy me about the whole debate... Firstly - what is this great issue about Scotland keeping the Queen as Head of State?. I give you Exhibit A ... Canada... Exhibit B .. Australia ... Exhibit C .... the rest of the commonwealth. And yes I know some commonwealth nations wish to become republics and drop HMQ - but that is an issue for the respective populations to decide. She is as much Queen of Scotland as she is Queen of England. (and I am not a particular royalist) Second - I tend to agree that monetary union is a bad thing. We should stand on our own two feet from the outset - the problem is I have not heard anything from either side to convince me that this is a good or bad opinion to hold - all I have heard is Holyrood saying " we want the pound" and westminster saying "your not getting it". What I want to hear is an adult debate and some facts from either side that say why it is not a good idea. I cannot help thinking that it is just a convenient arguing point for Westminster. I was however interested reading Osbournes statement today which included a statement to say that the UK was the best performing country in Europe and Scotland is be best performing part of the UK... it is the first time I have considered that in fact London are concerned about losing Scotland and all the revenue it provides. So far I have not heard anything to steer me, as a floating voter, towards a NO vote. But the ammunition from the YES side and the petty arguments from London make a Yes more appealing. I was all for devolution and I think we are probably better off than before - but one of the reasons I accepted devo was that there was a Parliament Building all ready to go.. instead we waste Millions upon Millions on the monstrosity in Holyrood... my concern is they will do something similar again and waste a shed load of cash on something we dont need or want. So I remain on the fence, maybe a slight tilt towards yes, but I have not heard anything concrete that makes me want to swing either way. |
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13th Feb 2014 8:16pm |
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| Mean Green Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: South Ayrshire Posts: 280
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Pickles.. not really sure that Scots want support from England... we dont get supported by England under the Union so why would we as an Indy? Like I said above Osbourne's comment today made me think for the first time that London actually need the support from Scotland and perhaps they actually have more to lose than Scotland does. |
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13th Feb 2014 8:20pm |
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| martinfiattech Member Since: 13 Nov 2013 Location: leicester Posts: 422 
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How long will the oil and gas last for. Not to mention the fishing rights. Its all tax income.
Will the north sea become Scottish waters and there bounty, this I feel is the question the mp`s are keeping tight lipped about. Whos next northen Ireland, wales. ? We are I feel a small country that's sold everything off and will soon have nothing left to be proud of. Gas sold off making loads of money, electric sold off loads of money, council housing sold off private landlords lots of money, the nhs back door sell off now on.... train network, buses, sold off now the government pay/subsidise unprofitable routes. Remember when the party in power begun the sell off where did all the money go THIS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW because I bet some one told sid!! It was our money in the first place that built it, If theres any referendum to be had it should be given to the people of the uk all of them to get back into state hands all services there fore fathers built, keep trade unions out as within the industry I work in they did nothing but cause problems. I was given a written warning for doing another mans job because he was union rep and too bone idle to get up and remove a electrical connection so I could remove a gearbox! don`t forget the miners scargill used them to try and bring down Maggie now hes in the house of lords theres loyalty for you. Anyway rant over off to listen to billy bragg and read 1984 |
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13th Feb 2014 9:43pm |
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| udderlyoffroad Member Since: 18 Jul 2011 Location: Bristol Posts: 124 
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On one of my weekly flights to Scotland for work, a wee Scottish Lass told me she was going to vote yes to independence...because her boyfriend was a civil servant, and hoped that under independence there would be more government jobs for her beau.
So, under independence I look forward to the complicated tax situation, having to queue at immigration on arrival and show my passport (and before you say, why wouldn't you have to? EU+Open borders is a big fat 'non' for at least 2 years), and so forth... This morning my girlfriend asked me a doozie, which I couldn't actually answer - as looking up whitepapers at 6.30 am isn't my strong point - who will actually qualify for Scottish citizenship under independence? Born there? Surely not? Live there? For how long? Do I qualify?  Real trucks don't have spark plugs |
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13th Feb 2014 10:39pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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It would make sense for Cameron and the Conservative party to support Scottish independence.
A big reason for conservative party to support an independent Scotland is there is 1 Conservative MP in Scotland compared to 41 Labour MP's An independent Scotland would mean a much reduced number of Labour party MPs in the House of Common so more then likely Conservative governments for the foreseeable future. So why isn't Cameron supporting Salmon? Brendan |
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13th Feb 2014 11:00pm |
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| Cheshire110 Member Since: 26 Jul 2013 Location: Cheshire/London Posts: 2760
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Is that a joke? Don't get support now? Why do you think your prescriptions, healthcare, university fees etc are free?! Edit: some facts: UK borrowing is 11%GDP, Scotland is 19%GDP so Scotland borrows more than the UK on average. This is the problem, the Scottish majority aren't informed enough about what leaving the UK will lose them. At the end of the day, Scotland gains more from the UK than it returns in taxes, so independence would almost immediately bankrupt the country if there was no 'steady transition' - just hope that if you lot do vote yes then we get of the economic support umbilical as soon as possible... And it will be funny when you come crawling back broke, like that time you tried to start a 'Scottish empire'  Cheers, David
Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8. Last edited by Cheshire110 on 13th Feb 2014 11:19pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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13th Feb 2014 11:13pm |
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| Cheshire110 Member Since: 26 Jul 2013 Location: Cheshire/London Posts: 2760
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I am almost crying with laughter! Cheers, David Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8. |
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13th Feb 2014 11:15pm |
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| davew Member Since: 02 Jan 2012 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 888 
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Currency union with no political union ? That's been tried and failed, to even consider monetary union the UK would have to be convinced that Scotland would abide by the strict spending plans, taxation policies and interest rates. Given that those are pretty much the main arguments the SNP give as reasons they should leave the UK it seems nonsensical to suggest it's a good idea. A currency union would allow another country (Scotland) to damage the UK currency in the same way that the Greece government nearly destroyed the Euro. I'm amazed that anyone in Scotland thinks that would work. I'm glad that it's been made clear now that it's not going to happen, the alternative would be to potentially see the pound devalued as a result of doubt about it's future.
Frankly anyone that thinks it might work is living in a fantasy world, the same fantasy that seems to be ignoring other issues such as immigration control, import and export taxes, the bloated bureaucracy that Scotland would need to create to maintain all the public services that are currently shared with the UK. Car registration, driver licensing, visas for UK residents working in Scotland and Vice Versa, currency exchange fees, car insurance, the list goes on and on. The ONLY people who will benefit from Scottish independence are Scottish politicians with the possible exception that the UK can finally get rid of the left wing bias that the Scottish MPs currently give to the UK parliament. Above all I don't think those in favour in independence have any idea how much damage they are doing to the perception of Scotland from the rest of the UK - they may not care now but they will when they come to negotiate the trade agreements etc... should they get their way. http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/ |
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14th Feb 2014 12:12am |
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| MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2665 
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So what would have happened to Royal Bank of Scotland, had the British Govt (i.e. all of us) not bailed them out? Almost 1 in 10 Scots are directly or indirectly employed by RBS (maybe not on the payroll, but cleaners, gardners, maintenance companies, the sandwich shop over the road from the RBS office...all "paid" by RBS even tho they are not direct employees). If Scotland had been independant at the time of the RBS bail-out, they would now be bankrupt, as happened to Iceland. Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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14th Feb 2014 7:41am |
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| Nodrog the great Member Since: 17 Mar 2014 Location: The kingdom of Fife Posts: 10
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If Scotland is such a bad risk and financial drain, why is Westminster so keen to keep Scotland as part of the UK?
Because Scotland is the ninth richest country in the world England would be 22nd. And as far as the military is concerned 60% of all males serving in the British armed forces are Scottish. By the way there is only two sovereign countries in the UK, Scotland and England. Guys, do not let this topic divide us in our Joint interest in Landrovers! |
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