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Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2633 |
Hi guys,
I got to work this morning and while reversing into my parking bay, the clutch would not release. I had to stall the landy and then push it back into the parking bay. The clutch is stuck in and will not release, what now? -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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11th Mar 2014 7:32am |
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Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2633 |
Yep, will go check the clutch fluid.
I haven't noticed any leaks in the garage.. -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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11th Mar 2014 8:25am |
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blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17328 |
If it was in use and working up to that point I would suspect a loss of fluid for some reason. Does the pedal 'feel' normal?
If the vehicle had stood for a while the driven plate can stick to the flywheel giving the same result, but this is very unlikely if it was working as you drove to work. |
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11th Mar 2014 9:32am |
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Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2633 |
It's been 2 hours since I got to work, and I went to check the clutch fluid level.
I stuck my finger in the reservoir and touched liquid at around 5-6cm down from, and it was black-ish. Is this normal or not? Also, I fiddled with the clutch pedal and it popped back up. I then started the car and pumped the pedal for about 5min, and it felt normal - it didn't soften or harden. No signs of anything leaking underneath either. -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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11th Mar 2014 9:40am |
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blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17328 |
When you say "the clutch was stuck in" do you mean "in", ie pedal up, clutch engaged and won't disengage, or do you mean "out", ie pedal down, clutch disengaged and won't engage.
The terms "in" and "out" are very often used incorrectly, and I wonder if this has happened here since you now say "the pedal popped back up". A clutch fault causing the clutch to stick "in", ie engaged, will lead to a completely different diagnosis to a clutch fault causing it to be stuck "out", ie disengaged. |
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11th Mar 2014 10:18am |
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Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2633 |
I meant the above. As in the clutch wouldn't engage and I had to stall the car to avoid crashing into stuff -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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11th Mar 2014 10:42am |
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theorangebandit Member Since: 03 Jun 2013 Location: Stowmarket Posts: 862 |
That clutch fluid should be level with the top of the tube you put your finger in. And it also shouldnt be black. It sounds like your repair is simply to bleed the clutch fluid. A nice easy job the wife can help you with too
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11th Mar 2014 11:09am |
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Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2633 |
thanks, but will leave it to the indie workshop.
is clutch fluid the same a brake fluid, i.e., Dot4? -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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11th Mar 2014 11:18am |
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theorangebandit Member Since: 03 Jun 2013 Location: Stowmarket Posts: 862 |
Yes both are dot 4.
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11th Mar 2014 11:35am |
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blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17328 |
Still confused! If the clutch "wouldn't engage" the engine is disconnected from the gearbox and you won't crash into stuff. If you "had to stall the car to avoid crashing into stuff" then you're saying the clutch wouldn't disengage. If the latter, it brings us back to fluid levels, cylinder seals or operating linkages as the likely culprits. |
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11th Mar 2014 1:17pm |
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Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2633 |
Just to update you guys:
The indie bled and refilled the system and then took it for a 40km drive. Upon return, the clutch fluid was below fill level and there were signs of clutch fluid leaking from the gearbox. That meant that the gearbox has to come out for an inspection of the slave cylinder, which is probably the culprit. So I have to spend a few days driving a VW Polo -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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16th Mar 2014 4:29pm |
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roel Member Since: 08 Aug 2009 Location: Lelystad Posts: 2039 |
I am not that familiar with the Puma but is the slave cylinder not attached on the outside? So you can just take the slave cylinder off for inspection????? Roel
1984 90 2.5 na Diesel - RR V8 (1994-2001) 1997 Camel Trophy Discovery 300TDI (2001-2009) 2005 G4 Discovery III 4.4 V8 (2008-2018) It's gone but it still hurts. 2003 90 Td5 (2009-now) |
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16th Mar 2014 5:33pm |
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Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2633 |
nope, the Ford design is such that the slave cylinder is inside the bellhousing:
Part #2 in the blowup below: Click image to enlarge -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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17th Mar 2014 7:45am |
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Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2633 |
Yep, the culprit is the slave cylinder, which is being replaced.
This Ford design is a real PITA, it is the same on the Fiesta/Focus as well. -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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18th Mar 2014 1:02pm |
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