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Cuthbert



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munch90 wrote:
sorry I would have to agree with cuthbert ,gear lever looks terrible


No need to apologise to anyone Munch90 - you are only confirming that you are not visually illiterate.
Post #306421 9th Feb 2014 1:08am
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Cuthbert



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Cakey wrote:
If I remember correctly the gear stick was designed for strength for the offroad series . As the lr unit was not made for rallying . Not pretty though


Form and function do not need to be strangers to each other. Britain produces some of the world's finest engineers and designers and the UK automotive industry can usually manage to produce some very functional but truly beautiful looking components.

Just look at the price of that Bowler Defender and think - Every time I enter the vehicle I have to look at that homemade looking part, then I have to touch it and move it many times during every trip - would that interaction deliver pleasure or any positive emotional feedback?

Question for Bowler - Is that really the best you can do?
Post #306423 9th Feb 2014 1:24am
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Supacat



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Cakey wrote:
If I remember correctly the gear stick was designed for strength for the offroad series . As the lr unit was not made for rallying . Not pretty though


Odd the fully specced one driven by pistoheads didn't feature this


Click image to enlarge


but has the electrical cutout switch where this one has heated seat switches? Does it hve the race seats or standard ones?

To answer my own question - there's two versions of this a road spec and a rally spec. Taken from Bowler's facebook page last August:

"The first road going Defender that's been engineered by Bowler will be previewed at CarFest South this weekend, and displayed on the Stratstone Land Rover stand - our new retail partners in the UK. Developed by Bowler specifically as a fast road version of it's upcoming Defender Rally car, and based on a 90 XS, the new car offers significant gains in performance, ride and handling. More details and availability will be revealed soon, as well as road tests and magazine features!"

Has the exclusive deal with Stratsones also fallen through?
Post #306436 9th Feb 2014 7:36am
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sturgesslr



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Thank you all for your comments Very Happy

There is no exclusive deal with any main dealer. Any dealer can speak to Bowler reference supply. However it is a specialist brand that is aimed at a specialist customer.

With regard to the gear lever, It's like everything, one mans classic is another mans scribble! Laughing The gear lever we have on ours is off the Defender Challenge Rally Car, and gives a lot more "feel" and positive movement over standard. It is an item that a customer can either specify or not.

The seats that are fitted in the road version are Defender SVX Recaro Seats. Obviously from the picture above of the rally car, the seats fitted to that are full FIA compliant competition seats. Again a customer can specify these if he wants.

Drew Bowler and his team have campaigned Land Rover products for over two decades as a privateer, so it is now great to see an official partnership in place with Land Rover that can only be good for future products.

Once again, thank you all for your comments. I'm sure Martin (highbridgeflyer) will be along at some point to give a drivers write up. Very Happy

p.s. whilst collecting our vehicle this week, we spied this at Bowler HQ. Now this is a fast off road vehicle Thumbs Up

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Post #306476 9th Feb 2014 11:25am
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Supacat



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"There is no exclusive deal with any main dealer. Any dealer can speak to Bowler reference supply. However it is a specialist brand that is aimed at a specialist customer. "

I was just thinking that something must have changed from Bowler's announcement that Stratstones were "our new retail partners in the UK". To me that implied some form of exclusivity.

Regarding the gearstick, it looks like it's shorter than the standard which will give it a shorter throw and the feel of being more positive as well as easier to reach lower down. I wonder if it's any stronger though as it looks to be bolted to the stub of the original?

What warranty is offered on these and who is it from LR or Bowler?


Cakey wrote:
Would like this in a 110'?

Reading the interview with Drew Bowler then this could be on the cards...http://www.pistonheads.com/features/default.asp?storyId=29327
Post #306487 9th Feb 2014 12:22pm
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Tommo



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Dropped in to have a look today. Nice looking 90 but it was a shame I couldn't look inside apart from though the windows as it was locked and I couldn't be asked to find someone to open it Sad
The gear lever is not to my taste Wink
Post #306559 9th Feb 2014 4:21pm
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110 John



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One word SWEET
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rustandoil



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Very nice indeed, but about ten years too late, they could have raised the profile of the Defender brand by getting more involved with competition.

But have to say i don't like the Mechano gear lever Shocked
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sturgesslr



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Good evening chaps

With regard to warranty, this is jointly covered by LR and Bowler.

As with any new competion based vehicle, development is ongoing. We are currently awaiting a smaller version of the gear lever as a replacement of the Hi-Lo range change lever.

Drew and the team have worked tirelessly to get to where they are both with the Road Defender, the Defender Challenge car, and not forgetting the EXR and it's road going version the EXRS.

Bowler's input to the brand that we all love, can only be great for future offerings.

Did someone mention a 110!!!!!!!!!!! Mr. Green Mr. Green Franchised Land Rover Dealers Since 1948
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RobKeay



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Go on then how much will it cost. Or cost of hire for a weekend!!
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Supacat



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Re: Our New Bowler 90
Cuthbert wrote:
designed and fabricated by a 12 year old in a farm shed.


well at least half of that is actually true Laughing
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adafish



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had a long indepth chat with one of the blokes on the Bilstein Stand @ Autosport show this year...well, listened whilst my mukka chatted.. Putting Dreams on Drives at JLR Solihull..
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Cuthbert



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Supacat wrote:
Regarding the gearstick, it looks like it's shorter than the standard which will give it a shorter throw and the feel of being more positive as well as easier to reach lower down. I wonder if it's any stronger though as it looks to be bolted to the stub of the original?


I'm interested in the 'engineering' behind this component. If Supacat's analysis is correct in that this component merely bolts onto the stub of the original - then the result is even more laughable.
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RobKeay



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Cause it's been engineered. The 90 is a rally version so I would imagine it works well. Bowler make bomb proof kit.
Post #306745 9th Feb 2014 11:57pm
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