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borderterrier

Member Since: 09 Dec 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1677

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green

In that case, lets hope we only get hit from the rear by an Espace!

8th Dec 2013 1:26pm

tookaphotoof

Member Since: 18 Mar 2013
Location: dordrecht
Posts: 1279

2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black

It might not be the safest car in the world, but I have no problem using the 130 as my work and family car. In the end you can't be scared of everything. I'm just doing my best to enjoy life.
Who knows I find time for a license to be able to ride a motorbike!

8th Dec 2013 1:56pm

T1G UP

Member Since: 08 Dec 2009
Location: Bath
Posts: 3101

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Orkney Grey

i'm not disputing that being high up in 2 tonnes of iron isn't the best place to be sometimes.

but in my case i'm glad i wasn't.

For my own self preservation, tree lined road, wet tarmac and a big swerve to try and a avoid a car halfway across the road the euro box as you like to describe them, did me proud. its a write off but i got off with some whiplash.

the other vehicle benefited by me be able to steer away from a Tee bone situation due to vws superior EBD function. i took the front clean off there car but managed to avoid the passenger area.

My kids are my world, not worth risking for automotive vanity.

8th Dec 2013 2:02pm

leeds

Member Since: 28 Dec 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 8580

One of the problems with these tests on Utube is what are the testers trying to show?

Look at that D2 v Espace test done by Fifth Gear. An overlap of about 40% and then a straight impact.

Why did they choose that configuration?

Is that the most likely type of impact to occur on the UK roads? I have no idea.

Or was the test designed to take a vehicle with a front beam (the Espace) which would distribute forces more evenly against the D2 where the test was designed to put forces down one side of the chassis?

Deliberate bias on the part of the testers to show 4x4's in a bad light?

Designing tests to be completely impartial is very difficult and you would have to do more crashes to come up with their conclusions.

Want to see the effect of a high speed impact between a D3 and an Audi A4, then have a look HERE Not a staged event but a real life collision. Now decide where you would like your kids.

Brendan

8th Dec 2013 2:13pm

T1G UP

Member Since: 08 Dec 2009
Location: Bath
Posts: 3101

whos discussing D3/4s here?

also N/s to N/s accidents are the most common accidents.

MY discussion is based around MY 110! so please BUTT OUT with your banal comments.

8th Dec 2013 2:19pm

tookaphotoof

Member Since: 18 Mar 2013
Location: dordrecht
Posts: 1279

T1G UP wrote:
My kids are my world, not worth risking for automotive vanity.

Somehow that seems to insinuate people like me would be careless or that we don't love our children as much as you do. But in that case, you might consider selling your 110 as well. It's not worth risking for them to end up life without their beloved father.

8th Dec 2013 2:23pm

Smilesapart

Member Since: 28 Sep 2013
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 735

My bother had a head on collision in his new 90 with a modern saloon car that came round a blind bend too fast on the wrong side of the road. My brother and his fiancé were discharged from hospital that same night with relatively minor injuries. The driver of the modern car had to be cut out by the fire brigade and was in hospital for weeks!
When I spoke to the police at the scene of the accident, they said had my brother not been in a Defender his injuries would most likely have been far worse!
I shall use my Defender every day and have no concern that other than hitting a lorry, bus or another large 4x4, that I shall be as safe as I can hope to be.

8th Dec 2013 3:34pm

borderterrier

Member Since: 09 Dec 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1677

leeds wrote:
One of the problems with these tests on Utube is what are the testers trying to show?

Look at that D2 v Espace test done by Fifth Gear. An overlap of about 40% and then a straight impact.

Why did they choose that configuration?

Is that the most likely type of impact to occur on the UK roads? I have no idea.

Or was the test designed to take a vehicle with a front beam (the Espace) which would distribute forces more evenly against the D2 where the test was designed to put forces down one side of the chassis?

Deliberate bias on the part of the testers to show 4x4's in a bad light?

Designing tests to be completely impartial is very difficult and you would have to do more crashes to come up with their conclusions.

Want to see the effect of a high speed impact between a D3 and an Audi A4, then have a look HERE Not a staged event but a real life collision. Now decide where you would like your kids.

Brendan

Not disputing a D3/4s safety credentials, but we are talking about the Defenders (or lack of them).

Actually I would almost be grateful of a head on collision given the lack of side protection too

Last edited by borderterrier on 8th Dec 2013 4:20pm. Edited 1 time in total

8th Dec 2013 4:04pm

borderterrier

Member Since: 09 Dec 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1677

Smilesapart wrote:
My bother had a head on collision in his new 90 with a modern saloon car that came round a blind bend too fast on the wrong side of the road. My brother and his fiancé were discharged from hospital that same night with relatively minor injuries. The driver of the modern car had to be cut out by the fire brigade and was in hospital for weeks!
When I spoke to the police at the scene of the accident, they said had my brother not been in a Defender his injuries would most likely have been far worse!
I shall use my Defender every day and have no concern that other than hitting a lorry, bus or another large 4x4, that I shall be as safe as I can hope to be.

And so will I mate, thats not my point. My point is that a light body, mounted on heavy chassis is not the best recipe for a safe vehicle, that and the lack of inherent modern day safety features. Of course I will still drive my Defender, thats why I bought it, but if I had to have a crash in my Defender or the wife's Skoda Yeti, the Skoda would be my choice.

8th Dec 2013 4:11pm

Smilesapart

Member Since: 28 Sep 2013
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 735

Don't you think we are all getting a bit too obsessed with safety and mollie coddling? My other car is a 40 year old Beetle which also has no airbags etc. and until about 15 years ago no cars had these features.
We can't go through life worrying about every single eventuality. Some accident in modern cars still end up in death.
I drive my cars like I used to drive my motorbike - I assume all other drivers haven't seen me, giving me the best chance to take avoidance measures if I need to, but at the end of the day, you can't deal with fate. If its your time, it's your time, whether in a car, train, plane or just some horrible illness.

8th Dec 2013 4:25pm

borderterrier

Member Since: 09 Dec 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1677

Not at all obsessed mate as I said, I will never stop driving my Defender. I was just supporting the original poster's sentiment with regard to the Defender and its lack of safety features. I have a motorbike and a scooter too, so definately not risk averse!

8th Dec 2013 4:33pm

Smilesapart

Member Since: 28 Sep 2013
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 735

Fair doo's

8th Dec 2013 4:39pm

Likeomg

Member Since: 29 Jun 2012
Location: Lake District / Newcastle
Posts: 2637

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Stornoway Grey

from personal experience, would rather not talk about the exact accident, defender is fine upright, but when it roll's... your f

8th Dec 2013 5:33pm

T1G UP

Member Since: 08 Dec 2009
Location: Bath
Posts: 3101

tookaphotoof wrote:
T1G UP wrote:
My kids are my world, not worth risking for automotive vanity.

Somehow that seems to insinuate people like me would be careless or that we don't love our children as much as you do. But in that case, you might consider selling your 110 as well. It's not worth risking for them to end up life without their beloved father.

i will be selling the 110...serves little purpose to me if it cant fulfill its role as a family car, you do what you want with your family.

hitting a relatively small euro box at 50 mph hurts. pre tensioner seat belts, airbags, fuel cut offs, EBD etc all help cushion the blow.

the 110 would of either rolled into the trees on the RHS of the road or ploughed straight through the other car. glad either didn't happen.

8th Dec 2013 9:24pm

Happyoldgit

Member Since: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 3471

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Corris Grey

borderterrier wrote:

Dont kid yourselves, Defenders cannot compete with modern vehicles for safety.

In a nutshell. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades.
Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW.

[Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc]

http://forums.lr4x4.com

I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic.

8th Dec 2013 9:49pm

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