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| ttuck3r Member Since: 03 Feb 2013 Location: Dunning Scotland Posts: 277   
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Hi Guys
I just signed the petition "The Treasury: Re introduce the UK rolling Classic Car Tax Exemption Scheme" on Change.org. It's important. Will you sign it too? Here's the link: http://www.change.org/petitions/the-treasu...e_petition Thanks! Thomas |
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28th Nov 2013 10:18pm |
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| bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069 
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got to try ... probably falling on deaf ears though
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29th Nov 2013 7:18am |
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| Pam W Member Since: 25 Oct 2011 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 1169  
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Would just encourage more dodgy rebuilds on tax exempt V5Cs....
So many people on D2 moan a bucket full when they come up on eBay, so to my mind why sign a petition that will provide even more 'donor' vehicles ? (We had a 1972 Series 3 when the scheme came in last time aback in the early 90s, and got free VED, despite the fact that it was actually a hydrid with RR chassis.... noone had heard of SVAs and points systems then so there were a lot of people doing the same. Now, the points system is well known but still people are trying to do up and sell on vehicles for £1000s based on a very dodgy premis of saving just £225 a year...which is just a drop in the ocean of car running costs these days anyway ...) Our blog - http://landytravels.com/ Yorkshire Off Road Club - http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net |
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29th Nov 2013 12:58pm |
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| bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069
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good points Pam W, but it's not just about Land Rovers - old Jags, classic Mercs, Marcos' and unfortunately old BL's ..( they've probably rusted to bits by now). - They have all paid their tax dues to run on cr@ppy old pot holed british roads
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29th Nov 2013 1:05pm |
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| Pam W Member Since: 25 Oct 2011 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 1169
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Ah yes, but....
VED is a tax on ownership and use of a motor vehicle, it is NOT (and hasn't been since the 1930s) for paying to use or to maintain roads. Roads are built and maintained out of general taxation. So vehicle age has nothing to do with anything really. In fact as modern VED is worked out on the basis of emissions, some old classic car belching out oily blue smoke and loads of other noxious nasties, AND driving on newly built and repaird roads, should actually be paying MORE than a modern car... 
Slightly tongue in cheek, but my points are quite valid. It would be like saying you shouldn't have to pay a TV licence for watching TV on an 25 year old TV. (my TV is about 17 years old, so on a rolling 25 year programme I'd be due for a free TV licence in about 8 years - yey!  ) Our blog - http://landytravels.com/
Yorkshire Off Road Club - http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net |
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29th Nov 2013 7:00pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582 
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Newly built and repaired roads??? 
Maybe the government and local government should pay the motorist for driving on the badly maintained roads in this part of the UK. Our local roads are badly pot holed. The M1/A1 modern link road? Apart from being badly designed and maintained has potholes in a major trunk road. A local road which was badly potholed has been resurfaced this week. 
However it has been badly resurfaced. Fields on one side higher then the road and they drain onto the road where there used to be a stone gully which channeled the water. Guess what? Yes that gully has been tarmaced level with the road. Winter and ice is fast approaching. Old vehicles on well maintained roads?
Brendan |
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29th Nov 2013 8:13pm |
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| Pam W Member Since: 25 Oct 2011 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 1169
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I've told you before Brendan, North Yorkshire is a like a foreign country... We do things differently here.... There has been a rolling schedule for repairs on roads here, and although there are still quite a few bad ones, the councils are doing a reasonable job... And that includes a huge amount of 'catch up' due the damage done by the bad winters of 2010/11 and wet summer 2012. Considering the number of miles to upkeep in the biggest county I really think they do pretty well.
In addition, some repairs are being brought forward to ensure smoother roads for those Lycra clad tight bottomed cyclists that are coming our way on the Grand Depart in 2014, Our blog - http://landytravels.com/
Yorkshire Off Road Club - http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net |
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29th Nov 2013 9:07pm |
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| bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069
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yeah .. i like your thinking  |
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29th Nov 2013 9:38pm |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610 
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Do not sign it!
Since signing the petition I have been inundated with so much  in my inbox that I will never succumb to temptation or belief ever again. Don't bother would be my advice....It's not worth the spam. If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!
Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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30th Nov 2013 12:06am |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150 
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Interesting discussion, personally I am in favour of a rolling date as I think this would actually discourage ringing of vehicles to gain tax exemption. There would be much less reason to, as if you think about it with regards to Landrovers every leaf-sprung model built would by now be tax exempt, and some early coilers. The cloning issues would only apply to coil sprung vehicles which are much harder to chop and change without anyone noticing as they underwent far more spec changes.Right now the policing of "dodgy" vehicles is pretty poor, DVLA/police only do anything at a change of ownership, not when a vehicle is reported.
At the moment many cars from the 70s and 80s (the kind of stuff that was on the road when I was a kid) are being binned rather than kept. The vast majority of older vehicles do very low annual mileages, so their contribution to pollution and road damage is minimal. The rest of Europe has a rolling date, it is one of the few things we don't seem to follow the EU on. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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30th Nov 2013 8:23am |
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| JJ Member Since: 18 May 2009 Location: Winchester Posts: 932 
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I assume this petition is because of this review
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/a-r...ing-agency that is starting now and is looking in to the functions of DVLA . Now is a good time to make any representations for inclusion in the review. I for one would do away with a physical tax disc and add the cost to fuel as extra vat. That way the largest consumers of fuel ( biggest polluters ) pay for it but business would be protected and reclaim the vat. |
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30th Nov 2013 3:11pm |
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| jimbob7 Member Since: 06 Jul 2013 Location: uk Posts: 2055 |
/\/\/\... and another reason to steal fuel??
@229... The reason older cars are scrapped is purely down to lack of parts, not because you can't get free road tax. IMO,a rolling tax date would be largely irrelevant,it's hard enough getting bits for a Ford Cortina,fills me with dread the thought of having to buy an ABS sensor/pump/ecu in 20 years time,or even plugging it into an long obsolete diagnostic computer. Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5. |
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30th Nov 2013 4:08pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150
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I suspect that ^^^ is true to some degree, but it is a bit of a vicious circle. Undesirable cars that are tax payable will not attract much of a following, hence lower demand for spares, hence even less of a following etc. Tax exemption is only a minor issue indeed, but a relevant one I think. It has to some degree produced a two-tier classics system, with tax exempt vehicles seen as genuine classics, but old tax-payable cars not seen in the same way. This is why to some degree these vehicles are just scrapped rather then preserved, and why what were once common cars are now never seen. Landrovers are quite a skewed scene as the MOD stockpiled massive parts supplies which meant parts were plentiful and cheap - although now this is not really the case. The series scene is going through a painful transition from cheap and cheerful motoring into something more akin to the classic commercial scene.
I feel your pain regarding newer vehicles, I already worry how I (we) will get on with our Defenders in 10-15 years time, no more parts and will anyone know how to work on them??? 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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30th Nov 2013 4:20pm |
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| alfajock Member Since: 12 Jan 2011 Location: Bedfordshire Posts: 227 
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My old girl turns 25 next year so it would be a nice bonus I suppose, but to be honest I've never really understood the obsession with this, it's pretty inconsequential in the overall costs. Certainly pulling my weight as a good citizen on the fuel duty anyway! Fully Restored 89 110 CSW V8
CLS 350 CDI for the sensible stuff |
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30th Nov 2013 7:01pm |
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