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| Tony_Hillerby Member Since: 03 Feb 2008 Location: Inverurie Posts: 36   
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Andrew
There is a problem with the fuel tank breather location, its situated at the rear of the rear passenger side wheel arch. Its a small pipe with a goose neck on it. Water gets thrown up and as you use the fuel in the tank water gets in. Ours manifested itself after 7 weeks of owning the vehicle, we came back from Edinburgh via the high roads around Braemar and the roads were awash with water. Constant downpour for 2 hours. The next day after starting the vehicle it shook and the engine rocked in the engine bay. Upshot was the dealer blamed us for filling the fuel tank with contaminated fuel. They took the fuel sample and a high percent was water. This took at least 3 weeks for the dealer to admit there was a problem with the vehicle and it would be covered by warranty. We needed to do alot of investigating ourselves to get the dealer to believe us that we did not fill the tank with water. We contacted the local area where we last filled up to see if local garages were getting contaminated fuel problem cars in but nothing from there. Another dealer told us that they have had 2 in like this and eventually 1 fuel pump 6 injectors 2 visits to the dealers and the vehicle off the road for 6 weeks we got it fixed. The tank breather should be either moved behind the plastic cover taht protects the lights or as some people have done extend the goose neck withn another pipe to the location mentione earlier. If you search other Forums LRO i think had a good thread on this. Tony |
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1st Jul 2008 10:21pm |
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| Andrew Klimacki Member Since: 01 Jul 2008 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 10 
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Good morning Tony
Well thank you very much indeed for your story which is almost identical to mine with our 110 . it could have been contaminated fuel from a garage pump but I do feel and have always felt this was unlikely. We talked about this to our local petrol garage where we have an account and the back up systems, and alarm systems, and print out checks he was able to show us would indicate to me that this was very unlikely to happen at established petrol stations. But at the same time we did have a heavy snow fall and just could not resist, as a family, taking the vehicle out for a really good run around in the snow. Up hills, through drifts etc. It was brilliant as was the county which was truly impressive (maybe in hind sight we should not have been quite so smug about our ability to drive through snow while others were getting stuck. Actually we did help a few individuals with our tow rope) Anyway the next time we used the 110 which was for towing a horse box we came to a grinding halt and once back with the dealer I did find them very non committal, unhelpful and certainly were unwilling to suggest or carry out any checks other than clear the system and get us running again, present us with the sample and charge us for the privelage. Ever since the 110 has been much nosier and very much more like a sawing machine which the dealer again would do nothing about when i returned to see them. Oh by the way it is CHARLES HURST Boucher Road Belfast. It's only thanks to an independent Landrover garage in Saintfield who actually checked our injectors for damage (Hurst didn't even suggest it) as they also had the problem that gradually we have realised there may be a fault. So Tony thank you. I am due for a 1st service soon and gathering a bit of a case to present to Hurst't so that we can get back to a normal sounding and running County. My next step is to do an accurate fuel consumption check. I'll keep you posted here. Andrew Klimacki |
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2nd Jul 2008 4:27am |
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| Tony_Hillerby Member Since: 03 Feb 2008 Location: Inverurie Posts: 36
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Andrew
LR certainly do know about it but i think they are not advertising the fact. Get the LR dealer to ring the technical services at LR and explain the symptoms. Ours needed a new HP fuel pump and 4 injectors. This took 5 weeks to get parts as they were on back order. We can only assume that there has been a run on these. When we got it back it only took 10 miles for it to sound like a tractor. Back on a tow truck and another 2 injectors. Ours was the first the dealer had seen of this fault and after the 6 weeks trauma we had they said that they had seen others coming in with the same faults. If the dealer is unwilling to talk to LR technical services then you could always write a letter to customer services outlineing your problems and unhelpfull dealer. We heard that there was a service bulliten issued to relocate the fuel tank breather. This seems to be doing things on the quiet rather than a recall to fix it before the problems happen. Best of luck with your problems. Tony |
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2nd Jul 2008 8:50am |
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| Nidge Member Since: 27 Jan 2008 Location: Kildare Ireland Posts: 817  
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Andrew,
I am led to believe the problems I am having , Sounding odd and not always running smooth on start -up , is as a result of a faulty switch in the Common Rail Fuel System. Some transits have been reporting this also. And Welcome to the forum !! 
Nidge |
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2nd Jul 2008 11:51am |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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I have seen mention of the fuel tank breather issue before. As an aside the location on my Puma is the same as it was on my last TD5.
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2nd Jul 2008 2:16pm |
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| DAZ110 Member Since: 06 Dec 2007 Location: East Sussex Posts: 2035 
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My 110 going to main dealer to have modified breather fitted under warranty.
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4th Jul 2008 9:01pm |
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| Jas Member Since: 08 Dec 2007 Location: UK Posts: 23 |
I have an 07 Defender and have just had the fuel breather relocated, under warranty, to behind the rear light shield.
Looking on various forums this seemed to be a serious design flaw on the 07 Defender, are they losing the plot? 
Just had a look at a 54 plate TD5 and the fuel breather is in exactly the same place. 
Was it a problem with the TD5'S? If so,why have they just decided to move it?(I saw an 08 plate with it still under the wheelarch). If not, why has it become a problem? |
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6th Jul 2008 7:46pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5035 
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Yes Mike |
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6th Jul 2008 9:21pm |
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| Laurie Member Since: 22 Feb 2008 Location: Sussex, England Posts: 2897  
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I'm beginning to be glad I bought a TD5 not a Puma
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6th Jul 2008 11:07pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471
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I'm not. Over the past 30+ years I've owned most models of square LR's produced and the current Puma is by far the best of the bunch.
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7th Jul 2008 9:42am |
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| one_iota Member Since: 06 May 2008 Location: Sydney Posts: 99  
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That's reassuring...I was just working out how to fit the 300 Tdi disco drive train to the rest of her when she arrives 
Yours nervously  Mahn
'08 Defender 110 ex '95 Disco 300 Tdi www.aulro.com |
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7th Jul 2008 12:46pm |
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| Andrew Klimacki Member Since: 01 Jul 2008 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 10
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With regard to my original posting about 'fuel contamination', thank you ALL very much for your comments, experiences and advice. What i have read has been most enlightening and much appreciated. i will now be better armed to tackle the dealer and the issue of warranty work on breather pipes which hopefully will solve water contamination problems in the future.
i suppose my next question has to be, what might the cause of the 'knocking' from the engine be? damaged fuel injectors? The motor does sound rather like a sawing machine/tractor at the moment particularly under load and when reversing. It's not serious noise (well it might be for all I know!) but laud enough and more so than other 110's i have heard. Thank you. Andrew Klimacki |
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8th Jul 2008 8:09pm |
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| nebotigger Member Since: 31 Jan 2008 Location: gwynedd Posts: 2  
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Hi there...defender 110 xs sat in the garage 7000miles '08 - currently with fuel problem. Originated with engine management warning light coming on intermittently, was reset by man in van from roadside assistance- popped into dealer and they gave me a disco 3 no ifs buts they were keeping it! Technical bulletin has been issued about the fuel system/breather and contamination issues by landrover. Not sure yet what the fix is, but I’m getting a new pump and injectors.
Other than that, top motor! Fuel economy typical 29.5 rural and 25 on motorways sitting at ‘normal’ motorway speeds 80ish…… around 27 if I stay around 65-70mph. what a motor….shame about the stupid engine management that takes over your idle speed in low range (anti-stall??)….. who ever thought that one up does need a good slap…… and clearly could not drive, and or use a clutch properly-it’s utterly pointless and would love to get rid of that feature. Otherwise completely satisfied…..except the percentage of fuel tax we pay….but that’s another story that I won’t win! happy landrovering days....... simon Tigger |
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14th Jul 2008 12:39pm |
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| CFB Member Since: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire Posts: 803
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Following reading this post I moved the breather on mine myself, took about 2 mins to relocate it behind the splash guard. Still not sure its an ideal place though, could easily end up submerged when exiting deep water. Andy
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14th Jul 2008 12:44pm |
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