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LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
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diesel_jim wrote:
A possibility, yes, but you're speculating on the fact that they may have been killed.

Of course, but that's the nature of a possibility and is the context of farmer giles' comment. Darren

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16th Aug 2013 1:27pm

farmer giles

Member Since: 09 Feb 2011
Location: worcestershire
Posts: 1299

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cheers darren; i will actively encourage my children to ride bikes, climb trees, play rugby and enjoy life, but putting them in mortal danger for a bit of risky off roading fun is not an option.

assuming that there was a need to cross that river it would be prudent to try it with no passengers - like the 90 rolling down the hill with the boy getting out at the start, thus reducing the risk of death to only the driver in the worst case scenario.

16th Aug 2013 3:44pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17386

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

Of course the one thing no-one has yet considered is that if the bridge is u/s the driver may have considered that the kids were safer crossing in the Defender than wading across on the end of a rope. If the bridge was u/s he would probably be right. Also if the bloke with the camera had already driven across without difficulty, he may not have expected quite so much excitement.

Bearing in mind how little we really know about the circumstances, perhaps we're being a little harsh.

16th Aug 2013 4:34pm

diesel_jim

Member Since: 13 Oct 2008
Location: hiding
Posts: 6092

^^^ I was going to type more or less exactly the same thing (it may be -20 out there, we can't tell) but I got bored typing it and figured someone would only start harping on about kids again...

16th Aug 2013 4:37pm

appaloosadude

Member Since: 17 Oct 2012
Location: Buckinghamshire
Posts: 630

After all this, Its probably an aqueduct

16th Aug 2013 4:48pm

Glynparry25

Member Since: 16 Feb 2009
Location: Miserable Midlands
Posts: 3015

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS DCPU Tonga Green

After following this thread after making an early reply, it seems there are 2 views.... half point out that it was dangerous and concentrate on the child.. the others feel that it was just an accident and the drived didn't see a risk.

I have a feeling that one lot have nice shiney Defenders and the other have covered many miles off the beaten track where a certain element of risk is taken (but it is calculated).

When in Georgia the route which I took involved crossing 2 rivers like the one in the video- fast flowing (but the one of the ones I crossed was well over the top of the bonnet for 60% of the width). I crossed them because they were the only way to the location I was heading to and there were no bridges (or electricity and running water).

Before crossing I checked depth and flow and it was on the border of what I would do...... Did I consider my safety? Or the safety of passengers? Nope- I thought about the safety of the Land Rover- if that is safe then everyone and everything inside it will also be safe.

In the video the route looks very well driven and in my eyes that is a simple crossing- the driver for some reason started up stream and turned slightly downstream which is a big mistake and resulted in the vehicle tipping. The end of the day it wasn't 'risky' 'dangerous' 'thoughtless' 'irresponsible' or any other word- it was an accident.

Glyn

16th Aug 2013 6:42pm

RobKeay

Member Since: 19 Jul 2009
Location: Stafford
Posts: 1581

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I have a new one that gets polished.

No matter how good a driver you are mistakes. I bet even Vince Copley the LRO off road chap has had an issue or two off-road.

I really don't think you should take kids off roading. Unless its a more controlled environment, say the lro off road course where there's first aid trained marshals.

Crossing a river is dangerous what about if you dropped into a hole halfway through.

20th Aug 2013 6:33pm

RobKeay

Member Since: 19 Jul 2009
Location: Stafford
Posts: 1581

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20th Aug 2013 6:35pm

megatoad

Member Since: 07 Jan 2012
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 358

2006 Defender 110 Td5 XS CSW Zambezi Silver

diesel_jim wrote:
farmer giles wrote:
blackwolf - i'm all for the darwin awards, but children dying don't fit the bill :

Ummm.... who mentioned the kids dying??

Can't help thinking that the object of the Darwin awards was for stupid people to remove themselves from the gene pool in a novel/stupid manner prior to breeding! He who dies with the most toys wins

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22nd Aug 2013 4:23pm

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