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appaloosadude



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That was horrible to watch. Why not turn downstream? Would that have helped, I don't know, never driven a river like that?
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I was more worried about the 110 than the kids in it.
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farmer giles wrote:
there should be a compulsory watch dvd for dealing with hill climbs, side slopes, flowing water and icey roads.
Rolling Eyes


Why?? Who would show the video? Who then records that you have watched the DVD. No different to watching the Camel trophy video. Watching a DVD doesn't make it any safer to drive an obstacle. You only learn by practical exercises.
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walfy wrote:
farmer giles wrote:
there should be a compulsory watch dvd for dealing with hill climbs, side slopes, flowing water and icey roads.
Rolling Eyes


Why?? Who would show the video?


Daft people?
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walfy wrote:
farmer giles wrote:
there should be a compulsory watch dvd for dealing with hill climbs, side slopes, flowing water and icey roads.
Rolling Eyes


Why?? Who would show the video? Who then records that you have watched the DVD. No different to watching the Camel trophy video. Watching a DVD doesn't make it any safer to drive an obstacle. You only learn by practical exercises.
A more daft idea I have never heard.



do you not think that watching a video in this thread that a newbie might think ' my 4x4 isn't invincible, maybe i won't cross a fast flowing river' ?
i think its totally different to watching a camel trophy dvd as you are watching a group of trained and experienced drivers with a lot of support.
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Nature provided peril so that populations evolve to be smarter and fitter, since peril tends to reduce the stupid and unfit elements of a population.

I see a natural process taking place in that video!

A harsh verdict I admit, and one which is not intended to offend. Far too much effort and expense is now directed towards protecting stupid people from predictable consequences, and "common sense" is becoming very "un-common" as a result.
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blackwolf - i'm all for the darwin awards, but children dying don't fit the bill (not suggesting that you would disagree with that in any way). Thumbs Up
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farmer giles wrote:
blackwolf - i'm all for the darwin awards, but children dying don't fit the bill (not suggesting that you would disagree with that in any way). Thumbs Up


I entirely agree with you on that score. It wasn't their choice, no more was having at least one stupid parent. It's a tough start in life.

One thing I would be fairly sure of though is that all present will have learned a valuable lesson, and at least (it appears that) all survived this time.

I have to admit that another video I have always found tough to watch is this onewhich was doing the rounds some time ago. The anguish of the child in the soundtrack is profoundly disturbing. Another contender for the compulsory watching category, since it rams home the message that your stupidity has life-changing consequences on others. Notice the arm that is flung out of the vehicle just before it comes to rest.

People must be encouraged to think about the consequences of their actions before taking those actions.
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The best lesson learnt is one through someone elses mistake!

not nice to hear the distraught boy on that video, blackwolf, but glad that parent had sense to make sure the boy got out before taking on the risk.


having a new young family of my own i have a duty to be far more cautious than before; however this doesn't mean wrapping up in cotton wool but being a lot more considerate to the risk and consequence of my actions.
saying that i did clock 48mph descending a local hill on my road bike last week with just a bit of lycra and giro helmet for protection Whistle
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farmer giles wrote:
blackwolf - i'm all for the darwin awards, but children dying don't fit the bill :




Ummm.... who mentioned the kids dying??
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Kids dying is a very real possibility when doing a stupid stunt like that. Sadly, there's precedent for not being able to get them out of a submerged Land Rover in time. Fortunately, it didn't appear to be the case in that film, but that was clearly more from luck than judgement. Darren

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A possibility, yes, but you're speculating on the fact that they may have been killed.


As for the stupid stunt they did, maybe they were just trying to get from one town to another. Check out this thread on the BAM road in Russia (be warned, you'll end up sat for hours looking through the 62 pages, but it's gripping!)

Most of the roads are like the river crossing above... and the bridge that you see there, could well have been a railway bridge, where they're (As you'll read in the link above) often guarded by the military, so you can't take a shortcut across.
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diesel_jim wrote:
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Check out this thread on the BAM road in Russia


Awesome road, definitely on the "to do" list!
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Yeah, it would be great. I think bikes would be the way to go, as opposed to trying to drag a 4x4 through.


Nice girlies out that way too.... Whistle Whistle
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I'm sire I remember a thread somewhere about two Defenders doing this route, possibly linked from the D44 forum. Must try to find it.

I tend to agree with you that bikes are probably the way to go. Alternatively possibly something like a Mog.

diesel_jim wrote:
Nice girlies out that way too.... Whistle Whistle


Yes, I did notice that! Seem to be plenty of 'em as well Rolling Eyes


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