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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17354   
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If I recall correctly my Patriot 2.8m rack is approximately 70kgs, and a roof tent is likely to be about the same again.
I would have thought however that the answer to your question will be very dependent upon what else the couple is going to put up there (jerrycans at 25kg each, spare wheel at 75kg, etc) and also how the rest of the vehicle is loaded. To be brutally honest, it doesn't fill me with confidence that you are giving them an off-road training course and yet having to ask these questions, or that complete novices are planning the trip. Experience is very valuable (and may keep them alive) and I would definitely recommend some off-road driving in the UK with their expedition vehicle fully loaded as it will be, prior to departure. |
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1st Aug 2013 8:58am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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It sounds like they're hiring a vehicle out there, so no chance to try in the UK beforehand, although presumably that's why they've asked JR to give them some tuition. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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1st Aug 2013 9:43am |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3368
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Hi JR, from the sounds of it the couple are doing some sort of fly drive safari and are looking at building up a bit of confidence before they head out? If that's the case, they're probably not going to end up doing much 'Off Road' driving in the uk sense and if they're unfamiliar with 4x4's would be unlikely to venture very far off the beaten track anyway.
I spent a couple of years out in Namibia as an expedition driver and the thing that causes 99+% of accidents is driving too fast on the gravel roads, not getting stuck up to your axles somewhere. If anything, our new drivers coming out who had done the 'off road training' back in the UK weren't at all prepared for what they really had to deal with. In Namibia and SA, the main safari areas (Ethosha / Kruger etc) are all easily accessible on tarmac roads, once you get in there it's gravel but you're unlikely to be driving too fast within them anyway. The main problem are the long drives between places on the dirt. The first couple of times I went out there I was in an VW golf and got everywhere I needed to go, even way out in the bush. My recommendations to newbies coming out were: - Know how to change a wheel. -Ideally have a means of communication other than a mobile phone if you're heading off the beaten track (hire a satphone or an EPIRB). -Take it EASY on the gravel roads, they are wide but have a nasty camber which can catch you out. -Slow right down on the bends, some of the straights are 30-40km long, people get carried away, brake hard for the bend and over they go. - They might encounter long sections of sand on some of the Namibian routes, tyres down, bit of welly 
- Plenty of water in the truck in case the worst happens and they do get stuck.  |
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1st Aug 2013 10:41am |
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| JR Member Since: 07 Dec 2012 Location: Auchtermuchty Posts: 532  
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Bit upset at Blackwolf's attitude towards me, I've never met or even talked to him before!
I am merely trying to do some research for what is a completely different course for me. The plan is to concentrate on gravel roads with some rough bits through them not the usual rutted tracks we use for our occupational courses. We are also finishing the course with wheel changing too. My biggest priority is to get the high centre of gravity thing through to the couple. Camelman's post is most helpful! |
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1st Aug 2013 3:14pm |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3368
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Do you know if your clients have a planned itinerary? Let me know if you want to point them towards the best places to go
I used to regularly end up doing 1100km day in day out over there on the dirt roads all over Namibia, tell them to watch out for warthogs and ostriches popping up out of nowhere 
I ended up driving my Camel 110 back from home Nam when I was done... |
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1st Aug 2013 3:26pm |
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| JR Member Since: 07 Dec 2012 Location: Auchtermuchty Posts: 532
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I most certainly will ask them and get back to you, thanks Camelman.
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1st Aug 2013 3:36pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17354
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Sorry, JR, no offence intended, though I can with hindsight see that my last para was poorly worded. I apologise without reservation for any offence caused. |
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1st Aug 2013 5:44pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8580
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Hired vehicle probably means standard wheels/tyres suspension
We normally recommend roof bars to put a roof tent on as can save up to about 50kg. Rooftent and rack is about 150 kg, spare wheel say 30 kg, a couple of jerry cans say about 50kg. You could easily have 250+ kg on the roof! Travelling on dirt/gravel roads? Avoid harsh braking as may well skid and camber of road may take over! Animals on road? Avoid harsh braking and violent manourves. Take foot off the go faster pedal and gentle braking. Lots of people are killed in Australia trying to avoid roos! Animal danger is greater at dawn/dusk Brendan |
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1st Aug 2013 6:37pm |
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| SteveS Member Since: 05 Oct 2010 Location: Devon & Berkshire Posts: 388  
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Here are the actual weights for my kit
Hannibal 110 full length rack - alloy including integral s/s table and ladder = 45kg Hannibal roof tent 48kg MT 285/75 on 8J steel = 41Kg I put the second spare in the truck when I went to Morocco and the Jerry cans too |
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4th Aug 2013 6:24pm |
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| Steve B Member Since: 22 May 2009 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 586 
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Hi
In Namibia at the moment, well fly home today 
Camelman is spot on, I would add the unseen holes in the wide gravel roads plus the patches of soft sand which feels just like aqua planing. As said slow right down for bends, take your time. If you find yourself heading for an unseen hole/dip brake as much as you can in a straight line and take the hit. Never swerve. Last year we had a 110 this year a Jimny, both great and if driven carefully never felt unstable. Remember to rein flare tyres after letting them down. Never needed to let the Jimny tyres down and never got stuck even in the deep sand from Linyanti to Savuti in Botswana. Steve |
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21st Aug 2013 8:14am |
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| Tuli Member Since: 17 Oct 2012 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 9 
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Good advice from camel man. I have lived down there many years.
If you do want to go into the dunes - and we all do- any top weight will be greatly exaggerated as you dig into the lower side. Careful. Yet with an older Landy ( power to weight) you have to be brave. Experience is key. But yes, the long sand/gravel roads with their camber, oncoming tucks, ridges, poor grading and often muddy edges are the problem. Especially with a short wheel base vehicle. Keep the weight low. Dry jerries on roof, full inside for example and empty them asap. |
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30th Aug 2013 7:11pm |
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