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rossy Member Since: 29 Nov 2010 Location: Co. Roscommon Posts: 1296 |
Same here. My 8 yr old daughter has often asked if she can have the Defender 'when you die' so she can travel around with the big dogs she intends to own.
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4th Jul 2013 11:58am |
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Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298 |
AlanH
thats fantastic news enjoy. |
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4th Jul 2013 1:51pm |
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rossy Member Since: 29 Nov 2010 Location: Co. Roscommon Posts: 1296 |
Caterham - you're a star !
Only because you keep banging on about it I removed the MAP sensor this morning and I was shocked to see it totally encased in black oily crud. How it ever functioned I don't know. So I sprayed the bejeesus out of it with an aerosol of industrial degreasant and also rubbed the little yellow bulb to agitate the crap before blasting it away (had to do this a few times). Popped it back in again and what a difference ! I should have known better because this used to happen all the time with my previous VW engined Mitsubishi. When the MAP got dirty it just felt lifeless and kept going into limp mode. Trouble was the sensor was buried down the back of the engine so it was always a dealer job. However as you know the Puma one's a doddle to pull out. I'm really surprised I didn't have the same (limp mode) symptoms. Maybe it was just about to happen. The immediately noticable benefeit of a clean MAP is exactly the same in both vehicles. It just pulls more strongly in 6th at a much lower speed (40ish) and the engine warms up quicker - presumably because the fuelling is now accurately matched to airflow. Again I am baffled why it didn't trip the overboost limp mode the state it was in so I'll be checking it regularly. I've always blamed it on either all the low speed short spins or dirty diesel but at least its a quick fix ! Thanks mate |
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5th Jul 2013 9:27am |
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Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298 |
I am truly well chuffed for you.
I know too well how painful it is to put up with something that aint quite right.......you've reminded me I need to take mine out and give it another blast with carb cleaner happy motoring. as said before its a minutes jobs......so would be foolish not to check. out of interest do you use 2so (seem to recall you do) and do you drive quite slowly (again seem to recall you do) with the above in mind I wonder whether this contributes to a greater build up on the MAP sensor? I think egr removal would be a very good thing......hmm. |
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5th Jul 2013 11:40am |
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LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324 |
Isn't the MAP on the inlet manifold? In which case, the use of 2SO, driving style or the whether the EGR opens or not is irrelevant. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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5th Jul 2013 12:22pm |
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rossy Member Since: 29 Nov 2010 Location: Co. Roscommon Posts: 1296 |
I use 2so but I don't drive slowly. The problem is that the missus does and during term time it goes 1/2 a mile to the school and back on a cold engine twice a day. This can't be doing any good !
my other concern is that if the MAP and the pipe it fits into looks so mucky (I shone a torch into the hole and it wasn't a pretty sight) then does it follow that the EGR and the turbo vanes are equally gunged up ? I'm beginning to think the EGR might be sticking open ( which I know is something you suspect Caterham) but its all grist to the mill for when I go to James French in Oxford next Wednesday for a proper diagnostic checkup. I did a search and read all the posts that came up. One in particular that sticks in my mind referred to the possibility of a partially sticking EGR resulting in fuel pressure compensation by the ECU causing the rattle that I have had since day one - so maybe its sticking open during partial accelleration (but not full throttle) Oh a little knowledge is a dangerous thing ! Especially when I really have no idea ! |
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5th Jul 2013 12:23pm |
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Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298 |
Oh a little knowledge is a dangerous thing ! Especially when I really have no idea !
x2 my pipes also look a mess. now I'm worried about the turbo too no joking aside I'm not. my problem has almost all but gone and as its often been intermittent I dont believe the inside of the pipes or turbo is going to be an issue as I don't believe that would cause an intermittent problem.....the egr on the other hand....hmm. would like to get to that one day and clean or replace. LRA - you're right and wrong. the MAP is on the inlet side but pretty much at the junction where the recirculated exhaust gasses join the fresh air. unlike the MAF sensor which is next to the air filter |
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5th Jul 2013 12:32pm |
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spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4661 |
Just had a look at ours on the 2008 Puma. Some dirt on it but not much. Used a little diesel and a small paint brush to give it a clean while it was out. I did notice some dirt in the pipe when the sensor was out but no huge build up. 84321kms on the clock and on origional tyres and break pads. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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5th Jul 2013 4:55pm |
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rossy Member Since: 29 Nov 2010 Location: Co. Roscommon Posts: 1296 |
Well thats interesting Spud. And on an 08 too. Do you do mostly long trips ? Maybe Donegal diesel is better than Roscommon stuff
I always use Topaz or Esso but who knows. I know that diesel here has to meet strict EU regs but I often recall dealers commenting on how fuel filters on cars they are servicing are full of muck (when I changed my FF recently it was pretty clean) |
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5th Jul 2013 5:08pm |
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spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4661 |
Lots of long journeys by necessity as everthing is far away but local journeys aswell. The wife mainly drives the 2008 . I buy diesel in bulk, 1000 litres at a time. That is from a Topaz supplier so I always know where my diesel comes from. Never had any bother with filters on any Land Rover. When travelling I carry 2so and add it to any diesel I buy when I am away. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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5th Jul 2013 5:38pm |
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AlanH Member Since: 15 Mar 2010 Location: WA Posts: 242 |
Further update on my rattly Puma engine. Re-installed the BAS remap yesterday and , the noise is back. Seems to me that the thing will have to be totally retuned to stop this if I'm to use the remap.
This I shall have done as soon as the warranty is up in about 2 months. AlanH. |
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7th Jul 2013 8:17am |
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Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298 |
damn. have you put the standard map back on and the noise is still there? |
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11th Jul 2013 4:25pm |
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AlanH Member Since: 15 Mar 2010 Location: WA Posts: 242 |
Damn is not the word I was thinking of Caterham, but it's one of the milder ones! I've removed the remap and will run as standard until the warranty is up and then get it looked at by a specialist tuner. Now I wonder where I'll find one of them in Perth as there's plenty of so called LR experts around but with sometimes fearsome reps.
AlanH. |
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12th Jul 2013 1:06am |
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Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298 |
AlanH,
really sorry to hear about this. if it definately electronic have a word with Pete cos I'm sure he'll do what he can to assist. the only other thing I will re-iterate (and apologies if I'm barking up the wrong tree and you know better etc). I've had mine just over two years and was convinced for the first two years it was engine problems and there was an intermittent issue which I for the most part thought was egr related. when gearboxes and shafts needed replaced I started to wonder if it was the engine. that said I'm convinced there have been engine related issues and the injector learn, manifold bracket etc etc - these have all improved the vehicle but I've now found the hand brake drum issue (pads rubbing on drum - presumably sticking and not returning fully) and I'm absolutely sure this has been the main issue all along and once rectified will be the start of happy motoring. not found the answer to resolving this yet but what I would suggest is tickering with the adjuster in the first instance to see if it makes any difference then move on to stripping it down. obviously if you're 101% sure its fine then forget the above - the very best of good luck to you. when you apply the hand brake is there the same feel to each time - ie do you have to apply the same amout of force and is there the same amount of travel? wayne |
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12th Jul 2013 5:54am |
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