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| knodes85 Member Since: 20 Jan 2012 Location: Brisbane Posts: 4   
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Im plagued with a similar problem, specifically it cranks and tries to fire, but then is seemingly cut out by the immobiliser. If I try and start it after the initial "cut out" the start just turns, but it seemingly isn't delivered any fuel. The interested difference with mine is that the immobiliser light on the dash doesnt illuminate full stop, and the alarm system doesnt appear operational at all. Its in at the dealer, but they cant work out how to fix it.
Has anyone had the same symptoms in relation to their alarm and found the start-up issue was experienced? |
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25th Jan 2012 10:11am |
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| Fez110 Member Since: 16 Mar 2013 Location: Angola Posts: 8 |
Reviving an OLD thread as this problem still seems to be around.
I've got a 2011 Defender, less than 3500km on the clock, and have faced the SAME problem since new. Some times (mysteriously) the car doesn't crank and only some of the lights on the dash come on - the coil light incidentally doesn't come on. Also the temp gauge goes into the red and stays there. When I remove the cover to the fuse box (under the passenger seat in my LHD defender) and wiggle the small grey relay (the 3rd one from the back) everything works again - coil light comes on and car starts like a champ. I've replaced the relays and still no luck. Any ideas? |
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8th May 2013 9:03pm |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2638  
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Check your battery terminals and tighten. -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged 
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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9th May 2013 1:49pm |
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| sasha2001 Member Since: 02 Jan 2009 Location: New Zealand+ russia Posts: 206  
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I had a similar thing on a td5 in that it would not start. It turned over but would not start and the temp gauge went over to the red while doing this, thought it might be the ecu but found a post on the Uk forum that recomened to clean main earth connections and ran a extra earth wire to another part of the chassis and it was Ok. not sure relevant here at all but it worked.
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12th May 2013 4:53am |
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| Dieselhead Member Since: 21 Oct 2012 Location: Pulborough. West Sussex Posts: 552 |
Mine has started doing this. 3 times in the last week. Appears also to have a flat battery. I lock it then unlock then alls fine Will have to follow through this post & check everything Chris 2008 XS 110 2.4 Utility. Tonga Green 1953 Series 1 for restoration 1983 Mini Mayfair 2004 VW T5 Camper 2008 Diahatsu Sirion. Thats hers Classic Bolens Garden Tractors |
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12th May 2013 6:58am |
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| Toplink Member Since: 05 Dec 2010 Location: Somerset Posts: 159 
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May be of some use.
http://www.defender2.net/forum/post53350.html#53350 Its never over in my land rover. 2007 Defender HTop. 1952 Series One 80" 1977 Muir-Hill 111. 2014 Triumph Tiger800xc 1999 Discovery 2 td5 1982 Ransomes TSR300D. 2002 Yamaha XT600e. 2010 Freelander2 (the wifes) 2008 John Deere X140 |
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12th May 2013 10:23am |
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| QP9166 Member Since: 10 Oct 2012 Location: Sarawak Posts: 1  
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Mine is a 2011 MY 2.4, assembled in Malaysia, no immobiliser installed.
The issue I have is, when car is really hot after a long drive, it won't crank. Battery is good, clamps tight, earth checked and rechecked, had a push-to-start button wired to starter relay, had starter motor rebuilt, solenoid replaced. Problem started about 1 year ago, happened intermittently for a couple of months then went away. It came back suddenly last week, when I did a long drive with lots of steep hills. Nothing happens when I turn the key. All other electrical systems seem fine. The common factor is, when car is really toasty, like after several hours continuous driving, but no indication of overheating. Trying to start results in nothing, no click, no crank. A roll-start (in reverse gear, rolling downhill) got it firing easily. Reached destination after 10 minutes, refused to start again. After cooling down about 90 minutes, started effortlessly, like nothing was wrong at all, and has been fine since. |
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12th Nov 2019 4:44am |
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| Nick13 Member Since: 18 Oct 2021 Location: Kilkenny Posts: 13  
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Sorry to restart that thread but I'm in the same wagon as you lot!!๐
As Blackwolf said: no starting, no lights but the battery one, temp gauge to the max , and no cranking!! Starter motor 4 month old, switches new, battery new! Any idea ?? Thank you Nick |
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25th Jan 2022 2:22pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17367 
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As a first step check that all the relays under the right-hand front seat have really good connections, a loose connection in either the ignition relay or starter relay can cause these symptoms. I put a little bend in the spades of each relay to make sure that the connectors are really tight since it was easier than trying to squeeze the female part of the connector which is, of course, in the relay socket.
I did in the end find that disabling the passive immobiliser stopped the driver's window phenomenon described in my original post, and I remain convinced that either a dip in battery voltage or EMI from the window lift motor during the coil-to-fob dialogue was causing the problem. It remains repeatable when the PI is enabled. The Puma has an exceptionally straightforward electrical system compared to most vehicles of the period, and yet it has incredibly poor electrical reliability, you only have to search the forum for starting issues, chafed wires, turbo actuator problems, etc. It would really scare me to own a New Defender, many orders of magnitude more electronically-complex, although I do get the impression that JLR's approach to QA and QC has improved, thankfully! |
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25th Jan 2022 3:20pm |
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| Nick13 Member Since: 18 Oct 2021 Location: Kilkenny Posts: 13
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Thank you Blackwolf for your repli! I did check all the switches, fuses , earths, connectors behind the barrel switch are fine too !
The weird part was when the car was starting if I close the door the car would stop!????? Coincidence?? |
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25th Jan 2022 3:41pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17367
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Now that is a new one! I'd say "coincidence" but with a Defender you never know!
I didn't think that the electric window could be the cause of my non-starting back in 2011 but the fact that it was 100% repeatable convinced me. |
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25th Jan 2022 4:48pm |
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| Nick13 Member Since: 18 Oct 2021 Location: Kilkenny Posts: 13
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๐๐ thanks Blackwolf, but not really helping!๐๐๐๐๐
Could one of you have a pick or diagram of the main earth points on the landy by any chance?? |
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25th Jan 2022 5:33pm |
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