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jav-uk

Member Since: 29 Mar 2010
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 112

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Alpine White

JW Speaker 8700 LED Lamps MOT Failure

Hi All,

After three very happy years with my 110 it had its first MOT today at the main dealer and it failed on several items.

Most concerning was the headlamps, my units are just over two years old and both have failed.
Tried calling mobile centre to discuss the problem but all I get is the answer phone.

The dealer wants me to refit the original units to get it passed.

Anyone with LED headlamps had a similar issue?

Cheers

Paul Paul

Pondering a New 90 Commercial
2020 Evoque
* 2014 110 SW JE Stage 2.
*2010 110 Utility. JE Stage 2.
*2007 110 SW
*2003 90 JE Stage 2.
*2000 90 SW

If its not leaking it ain't full.

1st Feb 2013 4:01pm

dgardel

Member Since: 30 Nov 2008
Location: Veneto (Heart & Head)
Posts: 3586

Re: JW Speaker 8700 LED Lamps MOT Failure

jav-uk wrote:
Hi All,

After three very happy years with my 110 it had its first MOT today at the main dealer and it failed on several items.

Most concerning was the headlamps, my units are just over two years old and both have failed.
Tried calling mobile centre to discuss the problem but all I get is the answer phone.

The dealer wants me to refit the original units to get it passed.

Anyone with LED headlamps had a similar issue?

Cheers

Paul

why the 8700 failed? Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition

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1st Feb 2013 4:16pm

ken

Member Since: 18 Aug 2009
Location: Banging Birds with my bitches !!
Posts: 4328

My old (59 plate) past so you need to find out why are they to high etc etc

They are fully compliant so who tested it ?

1st Feb 2013 4:31pm

jav-uk

Member Since: 29 Mar 2010
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 112

I have just received the paper work;

001 NSF Headlamp aim to high [1.8].... okay, I can adjust this.... although I never get flashed by oncoming vehicles.
002 OSF Headlamp aim beam image obviously incorrect. [1.8.A.2]

I have a drawing showing the pattern, apparently my headlamps show

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and it should look like this

|____

There is some condensation in the OSF lamp glass but I never thought it would ruin the beam. Paul

Pondering a New 90 Commercial
2020 Evoque
* 2014 110 SW JE Stage 2.
*2010 110 Utility. JE Stage 2.
*2007 110 SW
*2003 90 JE Stage 2.
*2000 90 SW

If its not leaking it ain't full.

1st Feb 2013 4:31pm

Lorryman100

Member Since: 01 Oct 2010
Location: Here
Posts: 2686

Re: JW Speaker 8700 LED Lamps MOT Failure

jav-uk wrote:

Tried calling mobile centre to discuss the problem but all I get is the answer phone.

Me too, and a unopened pm on here from before Christmas.

jav-uk wrote:

There is some condensation in the OSF lamp glass but I never thought it would ruin the beam.

Exactly my problem, but in both lights. So much so its starting to run down the inside of the lens.

1st Feb 2013 5:04pm

ibexman

Member Since: 13 Dec 2008
Location: Essex
Posts: 2945

Ive had mine 3 years no problems seems a bit of a jobsworth how long does it take to adjust a lamp , i always find independent MOT Stations more helpfull

1st Feb 2013 5:07pm

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

jav-uk wrote:
........ it had its first MOT today at the main dealer and it failed on several items.

What else apart from the lights did it fail on? If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!

1st Feb 2013 5:11pm

yobbie

Member Since: 15 Nov 2010
Location: Isle of Wight
Posts: 712

1999 Defender 90 Td5 Heritage LE Bronze Green

I've had mine mot'd no problem at all, in fact the mot guy commented on how good the beam pattern was.

1st Feb 2013 6:18pm

Go Beyond

Member Since: 30 Jan 2012
Location: Headcorn, Kent
Posts: 6678

Can't comment on the problem you're having but I do know that Tim from Mobile Centre has been very poorly since before Christmas and is only now starting to deal with enquiries from his sick bed, I'm sure he'll be back to you very shortly

1st Feb 2013 6:28pm

mk1collector

Member Since: 17 Sep 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 6769

Who fitted the headlights and did they fit them correctly and align them?

1st Feb 2013 6:31pm

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

When I fitted mine myself I just took the old ones out and fitted the JWS without moving the adjusters and they were spot on MOT time.

If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!

1st Feb 2013 6:48pm

jav-uk

Member Since: 29 Mar 2010
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 112

Thanks for all replies, sorry that Tim is not so well. Hope he's back fit asap.

MOT failed usual stuff, rear shocker bushes and wiper blades. Bushes can be done before warranty expires in two weeks.

I fitted the lamps myself, it's a straight forward replacement job and then took them over to a mate that run's his own MOT business and he tested them, he advised they were some of the best lamps he had seen. Very clean cut off and ultra bright.
So for them fail an MOT just two years later was a bit alarming.

I will replace them with the old units to get a pass and will try Tim to see about warranty replacement.

As my 110 is nearly out of warranty I decided it was best to let the stealer do the MOT, and pick up any warranty jobs.
Typical they fail lights that are aftermarket and the best upgrade you can put on your vehicle in my opinion.

1st Feb 2013 7:07pm

leeds

Member Since: 28 Dec 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 8580

The Speaker 8700 are fully road legal in the UK.

It appears that the MOT failed the headlights on their aim rather then on them being not OEM.

Our 110 has passed its MOT with the 8700 fitted no problem.

Condensation in LED lights can occur. They are typically fitted with a Goretex type filter. This allows the light unit to breathe. Given the correct weather conditions the lights should dry themselves out.

Brendan

1st Feb 2013 8:01pm

davew

Member Since: 02 Jan 2012
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 888

1990 Defender 90 V8 Petrol PU Auto Rioja Red

You don't say why the lights were failed... or did I miss that bit ???

I'm assuming it wasn't alignment as changing them won't fix that. http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/

1st Feb 2013 10:14pm

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

davew wrote:
You don't say why the lights were failed... or did I miss that bit ???

Yes you missed it! One was alignment the other beam pattern....

In a nutshell.....

jav-uk wrote:
NSF Headlamp aim to high
OSF Headlamp aim beam image obviously incorrect..

If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!

Last edited by K9F on 1st Feb 2013 10:24pm. Edited 1 time in total

1st Feb 2013 10:23pm

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