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| Bobble Member Since: 21 Aug 2011 Location: Hampshire Posts: 223  
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You're mixing up gross and kerb weights. KW for a 90 is 1850kgs so even with a 1200kg trailer it's still nearly 500kgs in credit....
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29th Nov 2012 2:36pm |
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| me@td5.org Member Since: 16 Jan 2011 Location: Warwick Posts: 856 
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Your right bobble I said kerb when I meant GVW (MAM). It's the GVW that is used in for those without a B+E licence.
GVW for towing vehicle + MAM of trailer must be 3500kg or less. 2400+1200 = 3600 
Kerb Weight for towing vehicle must be greater than MAM of trailer. 1698 >1200 
It's really hard to take the RB1200-4 to it's full capacity. It can take 9 boats, or 10 if you put them really close at the bottom. So the must you can put on is 4x Fours 2x Eights split and a couple of doubles or singles. But is you to have this much on there won't be space of all of the blades and riggers. All in it's about 450kg of equipment. There loads of other threads on other sites detailing this. If towing a boat trailer you also need to be aware of the guidance from the association of Chief Constables relating to transport of human powered water craft. This details the allowances we have for overhangs and overall length which is much greater than what is allowed for any other type of trailer. http://www.britishrowing.org/sites/default...idance.pdf Who else can tow a train 90ft in length without a specialist licence! |
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29th Nov 2012 5:16pm |
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| me@td5.org Member Since: 16 Jan 2011 Location: Warwick Posts: 856
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The issue with the wording on the Degraff site is the interpretation of the words
The combined weight is always assumed by the police as being the maximum mass of the car so they will always use the GVW of the towing vehicle and the MAM of the trailer in working out the "combined weight" To make it clear Degraff are 100% in their wording, it comes straight from the DoT guidance: https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car/driving...ou-can-tow |
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29th Nov 2012 5:21pm |
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| Bobble Member Since: 21 Aug 2011 Location: Hampshire Posts: 223
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That's assuming you've loaded the 90 to its maximum Gross weight though. With a kerb weight of 1800 kgs, plus a 1200 kg trailer, you're still only at 3000 kgs which leaves 500 kgs before you reach the limit. Even with driver and passenger at approx 100 kgs each that's still 300 kgs in credit. If Plod want to read it as being maxed out that's fine. Then as soon as its on a weigh bridge they've got no case and I also don't totally buy it that they'd assume by default that it's at its MGW anyway. |
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29th Nov 2012 11:13pm |
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| me@td5.org Member Since: 16 Jan 2011 Location: Warwick Posts: 856
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Bobble, the actual weight of the vehicle is not what is used to calculate what is allowed for those without a B+E licence. I wish it was but it is not.
For those with B+E, either by doing the test or by Grandfather rights the specific and actual weight of the vehicle and trailer are what is used. |
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30th Nov 2012 8:04am |
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| Bobble Member Since: 21 Aug 2011 Location: Hampshire Posts: 223
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Fair point. It's only a few pages in to the Gov.uk website that they start defining MAM.
So, Degraff are potentially placing customers open wrong side of the Law? |
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30th Nov 2012 8:21am |
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| nicks Member Since: 21 Aug 2008 Location: south coast Posts: 469 
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Easy!! - you get some funny looks when you over take a caravan whilst pulling this.....
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30th Nov 2012 1:27pm |
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| TR51 Member Since: 17 Apr 2012 Location: Dorset UK Posts: 333  
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Nicks - Going to guess thats at Calshot?
Nice RIB  (...and Defender but that goes without saying!) |
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30th Nov 2012 1:30pm |
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| nicks Member Since: 21 Aug 2008 Location: south coast Posts: 469
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Yes Alex, Calshot - this was taken when I first bought her a few years ago. Looking fo a more permant mooring on the Hamble.
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30th Nov 2012 1:33pm |
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| TJ101 Member Since: 30 May 2007 Location: Taunton Somerset Posts: 3750  
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Nice Solent ?? :D Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated California F1, 75th 110 "Kermit", 50th Ann V8, 90 V8 Hybrid, 55 Series 1
Main Brian James Trailer Dealer for South West UK Last edited by TJ101 on 30th Nov 2012 6:53pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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30th Nov 2012 6:49pm |
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| TJ101 Member Since: 30 May 2007 Location: Taunton Somerset Posts: 3750
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Mine, but gone now
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Main Brian James Trailer Dealer for South West UK |
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30th Nov 2012 6:53pm |
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| GREENI Member Since: 22 Aug 2010 Location: staffs Posts: 10381
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I'm sure as sch*T that we are going end up with a RIB next year
 When the missus realised what we paid for the caravan, we could of had a RIB she was gutted.
Fantastic shots guys |
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30th Nov 2012 7:07pm |
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| GREENI Member Since: 22 Aug 2010 Location: staffs Posts: 10381
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30th Nov 2012 7:35pm |
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| T5bnc Member Since: 13 Sep 2012 Location: S.Wales Posts: 40 
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And the answer is... Not very hard at all!!
We did Abbey 517 5 birth single axel (to keep the wife happy) and no faff course needed!! Pics arent the best but hey..
We had an awesome time last weekend in west wales on the maiden voyage. [url][URL=] Click image to enlarge[/URL] [url][URL=] Click image to enlarge[/URL][/url] Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated |
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