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| twopoint6khz Member Since: 18 Aug 2011 Location: North Lakes Posts: 654   
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ATs are better on snow than MTs, for the most part.
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30th Sep 2012 6:29pm |
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| bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069 
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it's all about the rubber compound, proper Cooper discoverer snow tyres (not AT, MT, or anyother "T") are great, 3rd season coming up for mine and still good.
I have a second set of tyres on satin black ZUs, nice to get them back on the truck for the winter. I paid about £110 each for the coopers Last edited by bpman on 9th Oct 2012 7:23pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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30th Sep 2012 6:53pm |
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| Coko Member Since: 31 Jul 2009 Location: Searching... Posts: 29 
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[quote="bm52"][quote="Coko"]Are these winter tyres? Currently running BF Goodrich ATs but they are useless on snowy roads :blub:[/quote]
I disagree, they are mountain/snow rated and i have driven on icey, compacted, deep snow etc and never had a problem at all. in fact i feel very safe in them. true they are not as good as a specifically designed snow tyre but driven with care and a light throttle i thought they were awesome[/quote] Defender resides in Slovakia where we do get some heavy snow and cold winters - ATs were very poor... Plus as indicated they do not comply with regulations in winter anymore and in case of an accident may (and most likely will) invalidated insurance. |
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30th Sep 2012 8:06pm |
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| abomb1969 Member Since: 23 Jul 2011 Location: Welwyn, Hertfordshire Posts: 79 
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My AT's were amazing in the snow here in Herts last year, OK it was about 6 inches deep but nothing else was moving!
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30th Sep 2012 8:14pm |
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| bm52 Member Since: 04 Apr 2010 Location: Kent Posts: 2189 
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Hi Coko, fair points you have raised. Mine has only experienced UK snow so i stand by my comments for the soft south of England but i see what you mean re your situation. i think if we has 2-3 months of freezing/snowy weather each year i would go the proper winter tyre route. But for all I know we softies in Kent might not see snow for another few years
 BM52 |
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30th Sep 2012 8:40pm |
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| cobs Member Since: 12 Jun 2008 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 336 
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Does anyone know of a supplier of Nokians in the UK - I looked last winter but struggled
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30th Sep 2012 9:29pm |
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| ken Member Since: 18 Aug 2009 Location: Banging Birds with my bitches !! Posts: 4328
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Winter tyres are not Snow tyres winter tyres are designed for cold weather ie below 7 degrees c
A winter tyre has to have the mountain snowflake symbol not just M&S mud and snow to comply with eu regs, winter tyres will deal with most conditions and in the UK will deal with what the weather can throw at us the only issue being the car behind generally won't be on them so it won't stop like you. A Defender in generally good in the snow but it can't defy the laws of physics for that they need a little assistance  |
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1st Oct 2012 3:59am |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816 
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Ken,that's a good summary.
There is a lot of misunderstanding about what some call snow tires. I have no knowledge of any tire brand today which offers specific "snow tires" for normal on road use. They are all winter tires with the advantages described well by yourself. Here an extract of a Swiss publication about the risks of not using them.... QQ It is not mandatory but highly recommended to equip your car with winter tires between November and April. Your liability might increase should you be involved in a snow induced accident with a car not equipped with winter tires QQ And that goes for more and more European countries, if not outright mandatory at all. You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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1st Oct 2012 4:27am |
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| bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069
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agreed - so even if you are travelling thru the country as a visitor it would be worthwhile checking your insurance coverage |
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1st Oct 2012 6:23am |
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| AlisterC Member Since: 25 Apr 2012 Location: Somerset Posts: 116  
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Just an FYI.... Grabber AT2s have the mountain / snowflake symbol on them now. I was looking at a set this weekend.
I don't know whether this is a new edition or not |
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1st Oct 2012 6:51am |
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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015 
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Just come across this thread and seems people are confusing lots of things......
As mentioned Snow tires and Winter tires are different. Winter tires are made of different compounds which stay sticky at lower temperatures..... They can be used in Summer but overheat and can burn out in a matter of several hundred miles. These work by 'sticking' to the ice and compacted snow covered road surfaces- they aren't particullaly great in fresh snow. Snow tires as in M+S are good in New snow conditions. They will then suffer like any other tire when it comes to ice and very compacted snow because the compound gets cold and hard therefore less sticky. In Germany you need either M+S or the snow flake. I had 2 monthis in Germany before coming here when it was still in 'Winter season' and quite simply didn't want to buy a set of wheels and tires for the sake of a few journies so checked with the authorities and my insurance who confirmed that it was all good. In the UK there is no need for winter tires..... unless you live in Scotland where there is guaranteed snowfall for a long period every year. I have driven in Norway, Germany, Austria, Canada, UK, France (and even Cyprus) in the snow and on all occasions have been on Mud terrains with no problems. The only problems I have encountered are other road users. In the countries that have regular snow fall (guaranteed every year) the drives automatically adjust their driving techniques but in other countries like UK, and even more so Cyprus people become complete idiots when it snows...... Last winter when going snowboarding in the mountains here I was following about 4 cars before the snow-line. Once we hit the snow the drivers resorted to driving at 5mph with their hazard lights on (there wasn't even snow on the roads at this point, just on the verges). As they approach the hills they would get half way up and lose traction... Answer.... Put the hand brake on, and then get out and have a play in the snow leaving the car stranded in the middle of the road. It took me about 2 hours to go 10 miles and passed about 25 abandoned cars before getting to the top, to then be told I am not allowed there because I can only get there with chains That quickly turned into a confusing conversation where the police man was saying I must have left my car up there before it snowed and then decided to drive it around...... He would not believe that I drove it up that morning 
I love my MTs in the snow- the main thing you need to do in the UK is adjust your driving technique. If I were to go somewhere that gets 3-4 months snow a year I would more than likely buy a set of winter tires. Glyn   |
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1st Oct 2012 7:45am |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610 
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Can someone enlighten me as to what this 'Snow and Ice' stuff everyone's on about actually is? The sun always shines in Bournemouth don't you know?
 If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!
Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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1st Oct 2012 8:11am |
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| ken Member Since: 18 Aug 2009 Location: Banging Birds with my bitches !! Posts: 4328
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Sorry Glynn totally disagree
There is every need for “Winter” tyres in the UK as they are for Winter not Snow when the average temp drops below 7 deg C these tyres work way better than “All Season” tyres and give you the safety edge that is a great position. To see these tyres work on wet cold tarmac is stopping difference amazing. There was a debate to change the name to “Cold Weather” tyres. The Beemer is about to go on Winters as is the Vito |
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1st Oct 2012 8:34am |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731  
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A word of warning for all vehicles:
"M+S" (mud+snow or Matsch+Schnee) is NOT a protected term - a manufacturer can put it on any tyre, regardless of design (apparently Chinese/Korean makes are becoming more of a problem). The "snowflake/mountain" sign IS protected and tyres must be correctly designed for it, so if you really want to be certain, go for that. Obviously "serious" manufacturers (Conti, Cooper, BFG etc.) should be trustworthy but it's worth remembering... Tell someone you love them today because life is short. But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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