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cobs



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You don't say how old it is but depending on far out of warranty, Land Rover may halp. I got 75% of the cost of a new engine (TD5) that blew on a Disco when it was a month outside warranty - it's worth trying them first.
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billewizz



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it really does seem who you talk to and on which side of bed they bailed out of with issues like this, i had a starter go on a td5 disco low miles admittedly but six months out of warranty sorted free of charge,and had my leg lifted with a new turbo on a disco 3 10 days out of warranty and they would do a thing, oh things are very different now we are owned by TATA sir. Evil or Very Mad
Post #151900 25th Jun 2012 7:32pm
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Nick T



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cobs wrote:
You don't say how old it is but depending on far out of warranty, Land Rover may halp. I got 75% of the cost of a new engine (TD5) that blew on a Disco when it was a month outside warranty - it's worth trying them first.


At last, a positive reply Very Happy
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LR90XS2011



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there are lots of transit 2.4s on ebay £2000 approx new, there is also a new short engine, generally Puma ones turn up as well. I would also try JE and other tuners whom do engine conversions, not long ago JE were advertising complete engines for sale, it all depends on how much you have to spend, can yours be rebuilt.


Easier still is go to Ian at IRB (PORNY on here) he has a good reputation in the Landy Press and on here and he wont want to loose it. DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

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casher



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taking it to the dealers, they have already offered a 1000 towards it, but they will pay all of it. soooo much trouble with it. apparently bad chipping caused it, blown the piston to bits. but it was already chipped when they sold it too me, all serviced all the time, just was serviced like 300 miles before it went! tows all the time but a joke it going. would be very careful about chipping again
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casher wrote:
apparently bad chipping caused it, blown the piston to bits. but it was already chipped when they sold it too me, ... would be very careful about chipping again



Was it a plug-in chip or an ECU remap? --
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What a crock. There's no way chipping on its own could cause a piston to fail really, unless there's an inherent weakness. Chip or no chip, if you rev that weak engine all the time or load it up, it's going to fail. The remap might put a bit more stress on the engine, but really all it's doing is showing up the defect early.

Reserve factors in engine parts will be many times the expected level of stress the engine will see. So if a chip gives you 30% more torque, you'll still be way off destroying bits of it - if they're manufactured properly.

Sounds to me like the dealer trying to weedle out of paying by making poor excuses. And if they sold it to you chipped (and this caused the failure as they allege), then surely they should be paying the entire cost of a replacement?
Post #152150 27th Jun 2012 8:34am
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Poor tuning can cause engine failure - either a plug in chip or a poor re-map can put stresses on the engine that it can't handle and cause failures. John

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Two used engines on the bay at the moment.

Couple of weeks ago there were two brand new take outs on there going for about £2.5K each.

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Post #152159 27th Jun 2012 9:39am
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NinetyTD4



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twopoint6khz wrote:
What a crock. There's no way chipping on its own could cause a piston to fail really, unless there's an inherent weakness. Chip or no chip, if you rev that weak engine all the time or load it up, it's going to fail. The remap might put a bit more stress on the engine, but really all it's doing is showing up the defect early.

Reserve factors in engine parts will be many times the expected level of stress the engine will see. So if a chip gives you 30% more torque, you'll still be way off destroying bits of it - if they're manufactured properly.

Sounds to me like the dealer trying to weedle out of paying by making poor excuses. And if they sold it to you chipped (and this caused the failure as they allege), then surely they should be paying the entire cost of a replacement?


As a machine engineer I object. Chiping can cause serious damage if 1. not done correctly, or 2. not treated well after chipping. If you dont know what to do and press an engine to its limit by being stupid, the regular puma is built to survive that ('cause many of the maniac transit drivers are brain dead) but chipped it does not. Never forget: cars have owner, Landrover have field service personnel.
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Ive heard a few good things about fitting the 3.2 transit tdci lump, 240 ponies and uses the same engine mounts and looks the same apparently!!! Smile 2009 Defender County Hard Top (gone 😞)
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Thought it was a five cylinder ? So shouldn't look the same Rolling Eyes
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kingofthesparks wrote:
Thought it was a five cylinder ? So shouldn't look the same Rolling Eyes


Only 4" longer so you wouldnt know with the engine cover on.... 2009 Defender County Hard Top (gone 😞)
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