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grat

Member Since: 25 May 2012
Location: Holland
Posts: 8

Puma gearbox overfill ?

At a recent servicing, the gearbox of my Puma Defender was not filled with the 2.2 litres of gearbox oil but to the brim of the filling hole. Does anyone know how much is in the gearbox now ? Is it a risk and should it be drained and refilled or is there no reason to worry ?

30th May 2012 7:30am

jst

Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
Location: Taunton
Posts: 8059

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

i have always filled to the filling hole. Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop

30th May 2012 7:36am

Naks

Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
Location: Stellenbosch, ZA
Posts: 2645

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White

Overfilling (i.e., to the hole instead of measuring 2.2L) ill result in the hot oil eating at one of the seals (can't remember which one) and a leak will ensue. --
2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged

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30th May 2012 8:42am

jst

Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
Location: Taunton
Posts: 8059

so its a fill plug rather than level plug then/

is this specific to the Puma Gbox only? Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop

30th May 2012 8:53am

Naks

Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
Location: Stellenbosch, ZA
Posts: 2645

jst wrote:
so its a fill plug rather than level plug then/
is this specific to the Puma Gbox only?

I think so. My indie mech also thought he had to fill it to the plug, I told him not to. --
2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged

Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ

30th May 2012 8:54am

MartinK

Member Since: 02 Mar 2011
Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border)
Posts: 2665

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Orkney Grey

Yes the Puma manual says measure out 2.2 litres...

On mine this was about 3mm below the filler hole. Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)

30th May 2012 12:11pm

Regard

Member Since: 08 Dec 2011
Location: RSA
Posts: 251

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 X-Tech LE Orkney Grey

Yip!

According to the Puma Workshop Manual it is NOT a level plug like in the Td5 but in the Puma only a filler plug and you have to stick to the prescribed amount of oil apparently.

30th May 2012 12:28pm

grat

Member Since: 25 May 2012
Location: Holland
Posts: 8

Thanks everybody ! I will drain and refill to the correct level.

30th May 2012 12:57pm

Tim_NZ

Member Since: 05 May 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 177

I had about 4.5 litres come out of my 110's gearbox, looks like it got filled twice! I put the recommended 2.2l back in and it runs cooler now

Cheers,

Tim

30th May 2012 11:39pm

Molusk

Member Since: 20 Dec 2011
Location: Loire Valley
Posts: 43

2008 Defender 130 Puma 2.4 HCPU Alpine White

What kind of oil did you put in your gearbox?
As the recommanded one does not exist anymore, I do not know which oil I must get to refill mine.
Thanks for helping me.
julien.

31st May 2012 8:55am

Naks

Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
Location: Stellenbosch, ZA
Posts: 2645

Molusk wrote:
What kind of oil did you put in your gearbox?

For the Puma?

Anything that conforms to WSD-M2C200-C specs --
2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged

Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ

31st May 2012 9:15am

MartinK

Member Since: 02 Mar 2011
Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border)
Posts: 2665

Gearbox uses GL-4

Have a look at the Opie Oils website

They list 4 oils for your Defender Gearbox (and a wide price difference!).

The one which is often well reviews is Millers Oils TRX Synth 75w-90 full synthetic gear oil... Link here: http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-60227-millers-...r-oil.aspx

This Castrol would probably be the closest equivalent to the "standard" LR-recommended oil: http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-744-castrol-un...ersal.aspx

Last time i changed the oil I used this: http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-739-castrol-sy...5w-85.aspx - seems to work fine

Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)

31st May 2012 9:29am

Molusk

Member Since: 20 Dec 2011
Location: Loire Valley
Posts: 43

Thanks mates!

although these oils are very expensive...

31st May 2012 9:40am

MartinK

Member Since: 02 Mar 2011
Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border)
Posts: 2665

Molusk wrote:
Thanks mates!
although these oils are very expensive...

Agree they are expensive.

My last Land Rover had a R380 gearbox, and at 187000 miles, it had significant wear, and replacement would cost around £1000.

I made the decision to service my new Defender frequently and use top quality lubricants, so as to get the best life I could out of her!

If you stick to the book maintenance schedule, most owners will only ever change the gearbox oil once or twice ("normal" use says 200,000km between gearbox oil changes), so IMHO it's a job worth doing well! That's why I bought fully synth good quality oil... I'll use fully synth top-quality oils, and change them every 2nd year. Hopefully it'll be more economical in the long run by making the gearbox last a very, very, long time

Last time I changed the engine (inc filter), gear, transfer and diff oils, the bill was around £150 just for lubes and the filter

Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's)

31st May 2012 9:49am

Molusk

Member Since: 20 Dec 2011
Location: Loire Valley
Posts: 43

MartinK wrote:
Molusk wrote:
Thanks mates!
although these oils are very expensive...

Agree they are expensive.

My last Land Rover had a R380 gearbox, and at 187000 miles, it had significant wear, and replacement would cost around £1000.

I made the decision to service my new Defender frequently and use top quality lubricants, so as to get the best life I could out of her!

If you stick to the book maintenance schedule, most owners will only ever change the gearbox oil once or twice ("normal" use says 200,000km between gearbox oil changes), so IMHO it's a job worth doing well! That's why I bought fully synth good quality oil... I'll use fully synth top-quality oils, and change them every 2nd year. Hopefully it'll be more economical in the long run by making the gearbox last a very, very, long time

Last time I changed the engine (inc filter), gear, transfer and diff oils, the bill was around £150 just for lubes and the filter

When I wrote these lube are very expensive, I didn't mean I would prefer to put cheap oil in my gearbox. I was just comparing the prices on your links, to the price I can get the same oils in France (Castrol Syntrans Multivehicle 75w90 is about 8£/liter VAT incl. here). Moreover, I used to get the oils for my landies to a wholesaler at about 3£/liter... but it is not Castrol.

31st May 2012 10:05am

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