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| twopoint6khz Member Since: 18 Aug 2011 Location: North Lakes Posts: 654   
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Is that sarcasm? I would have thought it's worth more like twice that, especially with such a low mileage! E.g. I just sold a farmer-spec MY2000 Td5 90 for more than that.... with 118k on the clock. And I let it go quite cheap. I'd have thought for a special edition like that, with those miles, £10k wouldn't be out of the question. |
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5th Nov 2011 10:31pm |
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| jerseyman Member Since: 21 Jul 2009 Location: Jersey Posts: 279 |
Yes it was sarcasm - one of the problems with E Mail, we need a sarcasm Icon javascript:emoticon('
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The last TR i saw on Ebay sold for £11.5k that had nearly 60k miles on it but was very cheap. Have a look here (stock number 615) for one sold last week for over £15k To partially answer the other post, my TD5 is a nice vehicle, completely fault free in the 5 years I have had it, rock solid chassis, excellent interior, The only issue it has is a bit of the electrolysis corrosion that seems to bedevil TR's. The interest in changing relates primarily in its proposed use to commute to Spain a couple of times a year so I would like a bit more refinement. The comments about the gear change are a bit worrying the "there must be a gear here somewhere" box on the TD5 is a bit of an issue for my wife. Though I know a lot of it is finesse, my co-driver on my last trip had no issues with the gear change. |
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6th Nov 2011 12:13am |
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| lrmaniac Member Since: 04 Feb 2010 Location: Lisboa Posts: 762  
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bit off topic or not but...
after reading all this thread I'm still confused... I'm having a little discussion with some friends regarding the engine origin of the actual Defender (MY2011)... It is correct that the engine is still from Ford and not PSA? Regards Joao '10 Land Rover Defender 110 CC '08 BMW F800GS '64 SIIA Forward Control '69 SIIA 109 ZA CKD _____________________________________________ You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you. |
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24th May 2012 8:42am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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Yes, the Puma engine is a Ford, whatever the capacity. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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24th May 2012 9:14am |
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| lrmaniac Member Since: 04 Feb 2010 Location: Lisboa Posts: 762
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can you, or anyone else, point me to an article, tech file to confirm this...I have a friend that showed me an article from portuguese autopress saying that the engine is the same as the freelander, from PSA... I believe you all more than our auto press! Regards Joao '10 Land Rover Defender 110 CC '08 BMW F800GS '64 SIIA Forward Control '69 SIIA 109 ZA CKD _____________________________________________ You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you. |
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24th May 2012 7:11pm |
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| noworries4x4 Member Since: 24 Dec 2010 Location: Newton Abbot Devon Posts: 1195 
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Right then, oars in the water time, i have been running the new 2.2 now for 5 weeks and compared to the 2.4 its rubbish !!! Land Rover says same power and Torque figures No worries says my arse is it !!!
My simple test bottom of Telegraph Hill (A380 Devon) drop the 2.4 into 5th and its still doing 70 round the corner at the top. The 2.2 faster at the botton only doing 50/55 and realy wanting 4th on the bend at the top. Towing the ifor i always seem to be dropping into 5th and seam to have my foot flat on the floor all the time. Fuel consumption is currently 2mpg worse all conditions and if anything i am driving it more angenicly trying to make it better. Had the dpf warning light on yesterday after doing 3Hrs across london escorting a crane at walking pace in low range. a good thrash round the North Circular sorted that out. If everything is under control you are not going fast enough. Every Day 16 MY Discovery 4 Commercial Workshop and Escort Vehicle Weekends 07MY L322 TDV8 Vogue SE Series 1 80" 3ltr 6cyl with overdrive No Worries 4X4 |
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24th May 2012 8:07pm |
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| Landyrob Member Since: 07 Jul 2011 Location: Switzerland Posts: 93 
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as i have both the new 2.2 and the 2.4 i can give anybody the advice that there is no difference in power. The 6th gear is much faster on the 2.2 and it's quieter.
i have done 80.000 on the 2.4 and 7000 on the 2.2 both work very well never had any problems. will need more time to know how the DPF filter will make any problems with time maybe a trip to australia next year will give me more information when it gets REAL rough and very hot. but generaly impression is good.  LANDROVER Defender Best 4 x 4 x Far
Defender TD4 90 Hardtop 2.4 Defender TD4 110 Hardtop 2.2 |
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24th May 2012 8:11pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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Well, the 2.2 in the Freelander is 2179cc whereas the 2.2 in the Defender is 2184cc, but if you really want the full story then have a read of THIS WIKIPEDIA PAGE. The situation is confused slightly by the fact that Ford also had a hand in the PSA engine, but as that page explains, it is a completely different unit. Hope that helps. Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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24th May 2012 8:21pm |
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| RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1588 
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My mpg has gone down by 3 and my 2.4 was a 110. I've been towing alot and find it goes if you give it the beans. I do seem to be looking back thinking the td5 pulled a load better. I think it's the gearbox on the pumas that makes them. I have a feeling they would be awful mated to a r380. Now a td5 mated to a six speed I wonder could this be any good.
Maybe I should save up and bang a 3.2 in the 90. |
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24th May 2012 8:43pm |
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| chadjizz Member Since: 25 Apr 2012 Location: sussex Posts: 559 
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you have put doubt in my mind about the deposit i have put down on my new 2.2 130......  |
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24th May 2012 9:35pm |
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| Birdy Member Since: 07 Oct 2011 Location: Côte d'Azur Posts: 870  
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“I do seem to be looking back thinking the td5 pulled a load better”
Absolutely… I tow, launch and recover a quite heavy boat, and boy do I miss the TD5’s indifference to gear and gradiant. Every time I pull away from lights and have to change gear almost immediately I’m listening for the crash of a car behind ploughing into the back of me. I only got rid of my TD5 ’cos of chassis rot, should’ve gone the galvanised chassis rebuild route. And the 26 m.p.g. I’m getting is worse than my old TD5, also down to the ’orrible gearbox imho. Peter |
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25th May 2012 12:01am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17520 
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I suspect that I am in the minority with this view, but if I compare my 2007 Puma Defender clutch and gearbox with my 2002 TD5 Discovery clutch and gearbox the Defender is far, far nicer to drive. The Disco (which I bought new) has always had a vague and extremely baulky change. 1st to 2nd is pants, it has to be rushed when cold (no double-declutching) and double-declutched and taken slowly when warm. 5th to 4th involves no perceptible sideways movement of the lever making 5th to 3rd changes strange. The clutch has always been dire as well and very susceptible to judder (despite having a new flywheel and clutch at 130k miles when the judder became intolerable, even though there was next to no wear on the driven plate). OK, this is a harsh assessment, but the clutch and gearbox are simply not as good as they should be on a vehicle of this type. It the near future I hope to fit a single mass flywheel to see if that improves the awful clutch. The Puma clutch and box undeniably have their problems and it took me a while to get them right (new clutch, new flow restrictor, and removal of all backlash from the driveline) but compared to the Disco is it a more precise change, lighter, and the clutch has more feel and prgression, and overall is much nicer to operate. If the TD5 was as good as the Puma I would be a happy man. I think a lot of people who are used to cars and car-like behaviour get on better with the engine characteristics and gear ratios of the TD5 than the Puma, whilst those who are used to HGVs have no trouble with the torque characteristics and ratios of the Puma; the Puma is very different but is imho ideally suited to its job as a working (load carrying, towing) vehicle. I rate the 2.4 Puma Defender as the best of many Landrover Defender-type vehicles I have owned and driven over the years and would certainly opt for a 2.4 Puma over a TD5 anyday. Would the Puma engine work in a Discovery? Definitely not, but Defender yes, very well. Just my view. |
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25th May 2012 11:00am |
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| twopoint6khz Member Since: 18 Aug 2011 Location: North Lakes Posts: 654
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Td5 gearboxes are a bit of a mixed bag I think - I've had two and they both feel completely different
 The current one is worse by a long way, 5th gear is pretty vague to get into and 1st to 2nd requires some serious tapdancing. I also seem to 'beat the synchro' a lot more than in my old one and get the feeling of grinding cogs through the stick.
Hoping some proper gearbox oil will sort it out. |
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25th May 2012 11:08am |
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| chadjizz Member Since: 25 Apr 2012 Location: sussex Posts: 559
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blackwolf, i agree, i find my 2.4 puma gearing perfect for pulling - hill starts with a 1.5t digger on the back is easy as pie!
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25th May 2012 12:25pm |
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