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GR110P

Member Since: 16 Aug 2009
Location: GR
Posts: 15

Thank you all.
When I get the truck ,I ll do a long trip ,aprox 3000 km.So issues like defective vacuum pumps and clutches make me anxious somehow.So I m seriously considering of replacing the WABCO brake vacuum pump with the new improved one and maybe also the clutch before getting the truck from LR.I know that I ll have to pay for them without using the warranty but I preffer to do it and feel sure that I start from a good healthy basis instead of having them failed in the middle of the trip with a 4 month baby with us.

Do we know how we can distinguish the two pumps? The improved one is also made by WABCO ?
Ι mean,how can I be sure that they did replace the 50-50 to fail one with the improved one? I ve seen the old one,I know how it looks like.I also know the part No for the improved one but I dont think it helps if you want to physically see the difference.
Same goes for the clutch.
How can I be sure that they will indeed replace the stock one with the improved one?

Thank you

20th Aug 2009 11:53am

BigGeorge

Member Since: 08 Aug 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 43

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Keswick Green

I have apprently I new vacuum pump (it was changed on my request for free). I didn't take such a close look at the old but the new one looked new (obviously). As far as I know only the seal was improved, which I guess is not diretly visible.

in any case... insist on the free of charge replacement. The bulletin is clear in the wording. Some LR dealers always try to screw their customers.

Same goes for the clutch.. though there I think it's only replaced once it creates problems. has a different part nr. apparently. Again cannot look into it.

See bulletin
Subject/Concern: Brake Vacuum Pump Seal Oil Leak

Models:
Defender (LD) 2.4L Diesel Only
2.4L Diesel Only VIN-range: 7A732615 Onwards

Markets: All

Section: 206-07

Summary:
Oil leaking from the brake vacuum pump front oil seal.

Cause: Dirt ingress into the pump pulley seal resulting in damage to the lip and subsequent oil leakage (the new brake vacuum pump has a secondary dirt lip seal). Suggested Customer Concern Code - R31.

Action: Should a customer express concern, install a new brake vacuum pump (refer to Global Technical Reference GTR Workshop Manual, section 206-07 (70.15.19)).

Parts Required:
Description Part Number Quantity
Brake vacuum pump LR012183 1
Gasket LR004381 1 The goons are trying to bring me down!

Defender 110 SW MY10 useless piece of

... but I like her
Defender 90 V8 50th Anniversary
Series IIa 109 / 6 cyl. ex-fire truck

20th Aug 2009 2:19pm

Cannonball

Member Since: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Co Laois
Posts: 150

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

Requested mine to be replaced as a precautionary measure. Dealer agreed when pointed to posting on GTR. Serial number on the vacuum pump body ends in 'XP' for the latest modification.

20th Aug 2009 2:52pm

Eduardo

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Región Metropolitana
Posts: 2109

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey

Still cannot convince my dear dealer to change it I have the oldest model

Eduardo

MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64'
MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"

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20th Aug 2009 3:07pm

GR110P

Member Since: 16 Aug 2009
Location: GR
Posts: 15

thank you very much.
I ll try to convince mine tomorrow...
I mean ,I found the relative TSBs,as it concerns the brake vacuum pump,I think it is stated clearly "in case a customer raise concern,put a new one..."
For the clutch it mentioned "should it become necessary......"

So ,I guess they should replace the brake vacuum pump for free.

We ll see...

20th Aug 2009 9:45pm

GR110P

Member Since: 16 Aug 2009
Location: GR
Posts: 15

ok with the brake vacuum pump.

No with the clutch assembly.

So I m going to pay to have the stock clutch assembly replaced with the improved one.

At least I ll know that those two serious issues are ok .

Thanks George

Cannonball thanks for the info about the pump,I ll check it.

22nd Aug 2009 8:26am

GR110P

Member Since: 16 Aug 2009
Location: GR
Posts: 15

So ,there's no way we can check if the pump or clutch is indeed replaced .....

I mean,if we consider the worst scenario,they can always install the same one,or even noone....

any other ideas ?

25th Aug 2009 9:40am

jst

Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
Location: Taunton
Posts: 8006

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

well my 09MY still suffers from diff problems, has the uprated sump, bottle jack and all the mods upto that point though.

Stoneaway Grey gets my vote Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop

25th Aug 2009 9:37pm

GR110P

Member Since: 16 Aug 2009
Location: GR
Posts: 15

Yours is a 110 or 90 ? I heard that 90 s have one pin diff-carriers while 110s have 2 pin diffs-carriers.
My dealer said that the 110 I m going to get has 2 pin diff-carriers in both F-R diffs.

26th Aug 2009 1:09pm

CapeLandy

Member Since: 21 Jul 2008
Location: Cape Town
Posts: 558

GR110P wrote:
So ,there's no way we can check if the pump or clutch is indeed replaced .....

I mean,if we consider the worst scenario,they can always install the same one,or even noone....

any other ideas ?

Just ask for your old clutch parts and if emergency you can re-install Puma 110 - gone
Series III 1973 - going strong

26th Aug 2009 3:29pm

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5035

2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Scotia Grey

CapeLandy wrote:
GR110P wrote:
So ,there's no way we can check if the pump or clutch is indeed replaced .....

I mean,if we consider the worst scenario,they can always install the same one,or even noone....

any other ideas ?

Just ask for your old clutch parts and if emergency you can re-install

Warranty claims you cant request your parts back,

If they wont replace your pump - spray some oil around the engine bay and say its failing

Mike

26th Aug 2009 5:05pm

Eduardo

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Región Metropolitana
Posts: 2109

Humm,

At least in Chile if it is a warranty claim, the piece should be keep by the dealers to be showed to LR inspectors. (you know, 3rd world country) Anyway, when they changed the clutch they invite me to see the new clucth already in position and the old one.

Regarding the pump is quite easy to see if it is one of the new model or not. I remember that we have some thread with this information here.

Cheers Eduardo

MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64'
MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"

Click image to enlarge

26th Aug 2009 9:25pm

CapeLandy

Member Since: 21 Jul 2008
Location: Cape Town
Posts: 558

I was refering to the clutch that he was paying himself to have changed - then no longer a warenty item. Puma 110 - gone
Series III 1973 - going strong

27th Aug 2009 5:19am

GR110P

Member Since: 16 Aug 2009
Location: GR
Posts: 15

Yes,I was told that the old clutch is mine,I can take it with me.The pump,no it goes back to LR.

27th Aug 2009 10:50am

LESVOSD110

Member Since: 19 Aug 2009
Location: South Africa
Posts: 241

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Fuji White

GR110P wrote:
Yours is a 110 or 90 ? I heard that 90 s have one pin diff-carriers while 110s have 2 pin diffs-carriers.
My dealer said that the 110 I m going to get has 2 pin diff-carriers in both F-R diffs.

Hi.

L/R diffs are 2-pin carriers and 4-pin carrier for heavy duty diffs for some 110's and all 130's.

Cheers Puma 110 SW
90 V8 SOFT TOP

27th Aug 2009 12:13pm

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