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Andrew388



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Defender 90 drowned
I recently had the misfortune of drowning my Defender.

The vehicle remained in the water for about 45 mins, while I waited for and attached the recovery vehicle.

The level of the water was up to the steering wheel on the right, and about at seat height on the left as the car was on a slope.

I did not try and start it after the engine ingested water, and the battery was disconnected soon after the vehicle went into the water.

What do you think has been damaged, and what are the chances of me seeing my vehicle on the road again?[/img]
Post #14199 14th Aug 2009 9:11am
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Grockle



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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Tonga Green
Hi Andrew,which engine model 90 is it? 2.4 90 XS
1968 1/32 scale Britains 109 Pick up.
Post #14200 14th Aug 2009 9:26am
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Sonic3d



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Sorry to hear your bad news, how did it happen? was it sea water or fresh water if it was sea water i wouldn`t want it back.
Post #14201 14th Aug 2009 9:28am
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alantd



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Tonga Green
You should be OK.
I take it you didn't have a snorkel but you stopped the engine before it took a lungful.

So long as it didn't ingest a whole load of water into the engine, the most you'll have done is soak the fuse box under the driver's seat. That'll dry out (although check for silt left behind). If there's loads of mud and stuff left behind, it might be worth giving it a wash again with fresh water.

Your ECU should be pretty well sealed and it might not even have been submerged (splashed, certainly, but not drowned). I'd be interested to see how much water got into the seat boxes and what it did to the battery but that's replaceable.

Worth checking the fuel filter as well - with a submerged breather and filler cap you may have got some water into the tank.

As I say. Wash out and silt, let it dry out, sort out the battery, check the fuel and then you should be OK. Might have a damp bottom for a couple of weeks Wink One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS
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Post #14205 14th Aug 2009 9:54am
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Andrew388



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It's an 07 Puma. Spoke to LR on Friday, and their opinion is that it's a write-off, but we'll see.
Post #14263 15th Aug 2009 5:18pm
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mse



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Andrew388 wrote:
It's an 07 Puma. Spoke to LR on Friday, and their opinion is that it's a write-off, but we'll see.


I doubt that, i agree with the others.

Ive seen TD5's and 300's in water and stop due to water stopping them and being returned with little more than a fluid flush and general clean Mike
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roel



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You might be lucky but it is also possible that the ecu's died. I know some td5's with having to replace the Ecu's but after that it should be fine.
300 tdi can swim no problem, at least the version without ecu's. Roel

1984 90 2.5 na Diesel - RR V8 (1994-2001)
1997 Camel Trophy Discovery 300TDI (2001-2009)
2005 G4 Discovery III 4.4 V8 (2008-2018) It's gone but it still hurts.
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Post #14288 16th Aug 2009 10:25am
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Grockle



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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Tonga Green
If it's like the Jag's wiring loom once it's had water in it the result is terminal sorry mate. 2.4 90 XS
1968 1/32 scale Britains 109 Pick up.
Post #14292 16th Aug 2009 10:49am
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walfy



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You'll find that ins company's will write it off for flood damage. They may fix the obvious problems but won't like to give it back to you as other problems will manifest themselves at a later date all due to the flooding. Unless you get it stripped of all electrical parts and rewired, and then every mech part stripped cleaned and reassembled. Which would then make an uneconomical repair, so write off is the only option. 110 D250 SE HT
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alantd



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buy it off them if they write it off! One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS
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Post #14327 17th Aug 2009 12:08pm
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Andrew388



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Just had confirmation: it's a write-off.

R525 000 (39 000 pounds) worth of damage, excluding labour to repair. With the Puma, and the amount of electronics and associated wiring looms, water damage of any kind generally leads to the vehicle being written off.

No doubt it could be repaired, but as the dealership said, it would take a week and the replacement of engine ECU and all looms just to get the engine started.
Post #14411 19th Aug 2009 11:17am
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alantd



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Depending on what they're selling it for, go for it.

It'll be worth quite a bit as parts. You could even pick up a Td5 engine and loom pretty cheaply and get a non LR mechanic to put it all together. One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS
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Post #14414 19th Aug 2009 12:13pm
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CapeLandy



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Just saw your little 90 being towed through the N1 city dealer on Friday afternoon. Shocked
Dealer said water was roof height - must have been exagerating but did not look too pretty.
Hope you get your winch back Puma 110 - gone
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Andrew388



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Winch and all other accessories were insured. While I assume that the winch would work after stripping and rebuilding, I did not want to take the risk, so left it on the vehicle. I managed to strip most of the accessories that I wanted, with no help from Land Rover.

I left the spots, winch, bullbar, EMS wiring loom and senders, radio, bonnet protection and one or two other things, and removed the OME springs, Bilstein shocks, dislocation cones, rocksliders, roofrack, bash plate, diff protectors, hilift, compressor, dual battery system, CB radio, recovery points and one or two other things.

All of the above shall be going on to the replacement vehicle, a '99 Defender 90 2.8i, which will hopefully be arriving shortly.
Post #14616 25th Aug 2009 2:11pm
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Grockle



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Andrew388 wrote:
Winch and all other accessories were insured. While I assume that the winch would work after stripping and rebuilding, I did not want to take the risk, so left it on the vehicle. I managed to strip most of the accessories that I wanted, with no help from Land Rover.

I left the spots, winch, bullbar, EMS wiring loom and senders, radio, bonnet protection and one or two other things, and removed the OME springs, Bilstein shocks, dislocation cones, rocksliders, roofrack, bash plate, diff protectors, hilift, compressor, dual battery system, CB radio, recovery points and one or two other things.

All of the above shall be going on to the replacement vehicle, a '99 Defender 90 2.8i, which will hopefully be arriving shortly.


Is that the Isuzu engine Andrew? 2.4 90 XS
1968 1/32 scale Britains 109 Pick up.
Post #14618 25th Aug 2009 2:19pm
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