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shazzy90 Member Since: 17 Dec 2010 Location: tyneside Posts: 489 |
i have the national lunar and would recomend it over the rest
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18th Mar 2012 7:20pm |
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Go Beyond Member Since: 30 Jan 2012 Location: Headcorn, Kent Posts: 6678 |
I had a second hand 40litre Engel for a couple of years and despite it being dented and probably 10 years old it performed faultlessly. They are very 'basic' with just one numbered dial and as has been said you have to manually adjust it to maintain a constant temperature dependant on volume of contents. Not really a problem but not very accurate. You can use it as a fridge or freezer but not both (although that's not strictly true as I have heard that you can use layers of cardboard to keep stuff at the bottom frozen and stuff at the top chilled)
As the Engel was sold on with the vehicle I replaced it with a National Luna weekender. This is an entirely different 'beast'. There are two compartments, the main fridge and a seperate freezer (which is from memory always kept at 10 degrees below whatever you dial in to the fridge temperature). There is a full battery management panel built in giving you various alarms etc. All in all an excellent bit of kit BUT the mistake so many people make is they buy 'too big'! The weekender is massive and takes up a big chunk of space and to be honest unless you are actually overlanding when are you going to need a freezer. Given the choice I would go for the smaller, simpler Engel just for size and simplicity. |
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18th Mar 2012 7:49pm |
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Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5012 |
Great, so that's the fridge sorted for Billing chaps Next on the list is a nice big awning Steve, a Foxwing will do, oh and some decent chairs, were going to need a big table and about three of those Bar-B-Q's we had on the plains - that should sort it
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18th Mar 2012 8:01pm |
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Go Beyond Member Since: 30 Jan 2012 Location: Headcorn, Kent Posts: 6678 |
Talking of awnings, not vehicle based, but freestanding, take a look at the Coleman Event Shelter, what an awesome bit of kit for the money, ideal for Billing
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18th Mar 2012 8:07pm |
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Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5012 |
Good tip, they look great, good size, good price
http://www.worldofcamping.co.uk/coleman_ev...fAodiRrLHg |
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18th Mar 2012 8:14pm |
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BigMike Member Since: 13 Jul 2010 Location: Lancashire Posts: 2253 |
Or get an iron man and save some money. Same compressor, same factory
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18th Mar 2012 8:35pm |
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Go Beyond Member Since: 30 Jan 2012 Location: Headcorn, Kent Posts: 6678 |
Can you point me in direction of spec / where to buy please |
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18th Mar 2012 9:02pm |
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leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8580 |
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18th Mar 2012 9:19pm |
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bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069 |
National Luna looks to be favorite at the moment.... no rush and it's not all about saving money Not sure I will have time for Billing this year. Awning - in the bag Chairs - looking at "kingkong" ones Brendan sells. |
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19th Mar 2012 8:02am |
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Landyrob Member Since: 07 Jul 2011 Location: Switzerland Posts: 93 |
Engel is my choice anytime, had mine running 24/7 ( on a IBS dual battery system) 4 months in Australia never had a prob, and very important they take little power from the battery. LANDROVER Defender Best 4 x 4 x Far
Defender TD4 90 Hardtop 2.4 Defender TD4 110 Hardtop 2.2 |
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19th Mar 2012 9:36pm |
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leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8580 |
I have asked both the Engel and ARB fridge importers into the UK what the start up current for their respective fridges.
Was very impressed with the speed of response from Engel in Australia. On start up the Engel MT45 draws 3 amps on start up. The response from ARB took longer, (basically due to question sitting around UK office for a day or two). Response from ARB was much more detailed.
So basically with both the Engel MT45 and the ARB 47 litre fridge neither are anywhere near the claimed 15 amps . As the ARB engineer says it is important to ensure that the vehicle wiring is adequate for the job in hand! Brendan |
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25th Mar 2012 3:09pm |
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mudrut Member Since: 29 Feb 2012 Location: Stourport-on-Severn Posts: 80 |
You see what happened? I did a quick post, quoted an off the cuff figure and made myself look dumb.
To put it in context, some years ago, we were trying to fix a troublesome Waeco installation in a vehicle. Fridge worked fine off a battery, voltage present at socket, alternative (Engel) fridge worked fine in car. Obviously, we suspected the vehicle wiring and voltage drop. Problem was, the manufacturers quoted figures weren't accounting for the problem. So, we tested the startup current with surprising results. Admittedly, it was instantaneous, but it was enough to stall the fridge. I note that the ARB guy is saying that they have soft-start built into their units to mitigate against this effect (and, for all I know, Waeco perhaps do too nowadays). Anyway, I shouldn't have generalised between the two brands - sorry! All I was trying to do was highlight a potential issue as important - and that is that even with soft-start, the Danfoss units do draw a higher startup current and that can expose limitations in the wiring system that the Engel would put up with. I will now go and get my coat - well, a fleece too as it's quite parky over here at the moment. regards Ian |
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28th Mar 2012 10:36am |
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Pam W Member Since: 25 Oct 2011 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 1169 |
Not got around to fitting our 47l ARB in the Land Rover yet - needs all the battery stuff doing - so Dave found his Australia - to UK mains adaptor and we finally gave it a test, plugged into 240V in the living room.
Ambient temp 18-20 degrees. Set temp at 4 degrees and it got down to that in about half an hour and it switched its pump off. VERY quiet running I must say. Had it on all evening and it has only come back on to re-cool twice - and one of those was after we opened the lid and wafted the cool air out to get it to react ! Must say impressed with the insulation. Hopefully will get it fitted in the vehicle soon and run it properly on 12V. The way the lids works is also fab! But so far big |
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28th Mar 2012 9:40pm |
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bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069 |
I can recommend the BlueSea Controller for battery management, well made, solid and totally un-complicated / fancy. Has a reassuring clunk when the relay engages and is rated to 500amps. Leeds and MobileCentre sell them I posted up some pics a couple of weeks ago on here. |
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29th Mar 2012 6:32am |
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