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bpman



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so much for Solihul QA department Shocked

mind you - when we visited the production line I did not see the QA dept, maybe they don't exist Rolling with laughter
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bpman wrote:
so much for Solihul QA department Shocked

mind you - when we visited the production line I did not see the QA dept, maybe they don't exist Rolling with laughter


Yes we did, remember the bloke with the mallet and lump oh 4 x 2. Laughing John

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Post #134826 27th Mar 2012 5:10pm
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T1G UP wrote:
Right forall you clatter nutters i have done a very scientific experiment and have concluded it is the handbrake shoes being to tight to the drum and after a long run start to bind and chatter.

I was sat i traffic crawling along if you dip the clutch and slightly pull the handbrake and it makes a hell of a racket Rolling with laughter SO slanken the handbrake off a bit and see how it goes Thumbs Up

Mine was already very slack and clattering but as MK says, I am also experimenting...
Starting with the fact the Munich apes had the handbrake lever slack and almost vertical and claimed it should bite after 7 or so clicks Shocked
a) I have today adjusted it "the Haynes way" to give full off to full on with 3 clicks (tighten the adjusting nut to brake the shaft then 1 1/2 turns off ) The shoes should be quite tight to the drum but that might also stop them rattling.
b) Failing that, I will try backing off a lot more e.g. 4 turns (as long as the lever travel will allow it)
c) Failing all that, it must really be another component failure that I will take up at first service (with a non-ape dealer)
In any event, the X-Brake is just waiting to be fitted - I might even fit it and replace the drum just for servicing Whistle Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...
Post #134841 27th Mar 2012 5:57pm
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ZeDefender wrote:
T1G UP wrote:
Right forall you clatter nutters i have done a very scientific experiment and have concluded it is the handbrake shoes being to tight to the drum and after a long run start to bind and chatter.

I was sat i traffic crawling along if you dip the clutch and slightly pull the handbrake and it makes a hell of a racket Rolling with laughter SO slanken the handbrake off a bit and see how it goes Thumbs Up

Mine was already very slack and clattering but as MK says, I am also experimenting...
Starting with the fact the Munich apes had the handbrake lever slack and almost vertical and claimed it should bite after 7 or so clicks Shocked
a) I have today adjusted it "the Haynes way" to give full off to full on with 3 clicks (tighten the adjusting nut to brake the shaft then 1 1/2 turns off ) The shoes should be quite tight to the drum but that might also stop them rattling.
b) Failing that, I will try backing off a lot more e.g. 4 turns (as long as the lever travel will allow it)
c) Failing all that, it must really be another component failure that I will take up at first service (with a non-ape dealer)
In any event, the X-Brake is just waiting to be fitted - I might even fit it and replace the drum just for servicing Whistle

My local dealer has my hand brake at 3 clicks. Had the hand brake re-call done last year and it's better than ever. Always reliable Thumbs Up
Post #134844 27th Mar 2012 6:16pm
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ZeDefender



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What was the "hand brake recall"? Must have missed that one Shocked Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...
Post #134848 27th Mar 2012 6:33pm
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pom



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simon90 wrote:
thanks for the reply! i just noticed ur post! problem is i think is when i take to dealer it wont do the noise!!! n then teyll say hmmmmm there isint a problem!! Evil or Very Mad

simon


youtube is your friend. Take a vid cam on your next drive. Tape it and put a comment like 'poohole dealer xxx claims they know nothing about defenders and can't diagnose this noise' then social media it.

May not get it fixed but will make you feel better.

Pom
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ZeDefender



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Actually, having read about all the botched up recall dealer-jobs, I will do it all myself Rolling Eyes Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...
Post #134851 27th Mar 2012 6:36pm
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ZeDefender



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pom wrote:
simon90 wrote:
thanks for the reply! i just noticed ur post! problem is i think is when i take to dealer it wont do the noise!!! n then teyll say hmmmmm there isint a problem!! Evil or Very Mad

simon


youtube is your friend. Take a vid cam on your next drive. Tape it and put a comment like 'poohole dealer xxx claims they know nothing about defenders and can't diagnose this noise' then social media it.

May not get it fixed but will make you feel better.

Pom

Rolling with laughter Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...
Post #134854 27th Mar 2012 6:54pm
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gtveloce65



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Mine's done this on and off for 3 1/2 years - NEARLY fixed by Guy Salmon, Gatwick (well, Crawley, but they like to call it Gatwick Neutral ).

It may be that the mechanism has a certain amount of 'stick' in it so the shoes back off the drum a varied amount each time - leading to the problem being erratic. Mine certainly is. I think it's worse in vehicles where the backlash in the rear diff is excessive so in neutral the prop-shaft is being pushed around by the back wheels, but the hand brake shoes are trying to slow it down - so it crashes from one end of the backlash to the other. I may be right, I may be wrong, but this doesn't solve the problem. All I know is my Series 1 didn't do it (but how many people go for a long motorway run in a Series 1? Laughing ) 1953 80
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1980 Fiat 124 Spider
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ZeDefender



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Very nice explanation Thumbs Up
It also explains the mild grinding/vibration one sometimes gets on the motorway on the overrun - coincides with the clattering coming off the motorway coasting to the first set of lights Laughing

PLUS the backlash/braking battle could make gear changing a little less pleasant Whistle Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...
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gtveloce65



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Mild grinding? ...from my teeth as I struggle to execute a smooth gear changs Crying or Very sad 1953 80
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1980 Fiat 124 Spider
2008 110xs
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