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Lorryman100



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That set up is far too low Steve. Remember that there will be about 100KG upwards of down force from a fully loaded twin axle caravan which does make the suspension drop. The top mounts on the slide will be at the right height for you as it is surprising just how high the towball needs to be to allow the van to sit level. If you look at this pic you will see on mine that the Alko tow ball sits slightly higher than the rear step.


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And when the van is hitched up you can see that the whole outfit sits level.


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I have now changed my hitch to a Bradley Alko jaw hitch which works just as well as the standard Alko hitch for towing the van.


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And as rossy has already stated you need to remove the paint from the ball and put a cover on it to stop it rusting. I always wipe the ball after removing the cover before hitching to remove any grime, and remember never grease the ball as this will render the Alko stabilizer useless.


HTH Brian.
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JWL



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Which is a complete pain in the preverbials when you are towing a multitude of trailers. I used to keep a Alko ball coupling dedicated to my caravan and put it on for caravanning as I completely stuffed the wear pads by just "repositioning" the caravan in it's parking place in a field next to my last house. The every day ball hitch was covered in old rusty crud from moving old trailers arond. When I realised what I'd done I made a right mess of taking the wear pads out to clean them and broke one, ending up getting some new ones[/url]
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LandRoverAnorak



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This is where a Dixon Bate set-up comes in handy. To swap to different hitches, just swap the slider, which is exactly why I changed mine from a NAS step. Darren

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The Juries still out on these Alko friction hitches Rolling Eyes I've never needed any type of stabilizer, had 4 different size vans (only up to 17' though, maybe the longer one's need something!) and numerous tow vehicles. The Defender are the best towers as the tow ball is so close to the rear wheels, helped by stiff suspension and the great back end already makes a size-able hole through the wind!
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LandRoverAnorak



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I'm not sure that the jury is still out Confused These things have been around for along time now and I'm not aware of any great issues with them, other than a need to keep your balls clean (ooh, err, missus). Not everyone tows with a Land Rover, of course.

Mind you, things do move on. Our latest van, a Bailey Pegasus, has Alko's stability assist system fitted, which essentially pulses the brakes if it detects it swaying. To the best of my knowledge, it's never activated yet, but it's reassuring to know it's there if something did go drastically wrong. Darren

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Post #114865 13th Jan 2012 9:16am
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Lorryman100



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Well it seems that I am moving away from Alko hitches, as we have just purchased a new tin tent, an Elddis which has a Winterhoff hitch and it looks as if that style may cure the faffing about of having to open the rear door when hitching up to get around the spare wheel problem of closing the Alko hitch! Lets hope so anyway, will let you know if it does or not,

http://www.winterhoff.de/english/inhalt.html

Brian.
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JSG



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Which model have you gone for Brian?

We were looking at second hand caravans last autumn to get a bit more comfort than a tent somtimes and ended up at the NEC show 'just for a look'

I put a deposit down on an entry level Elddis in the end Shocked which we are picking up early in March.

On researching the Winterhoff system it looks as though you don't need the 'higher neck' towball so I'm hoping by current Dixon Bate will be ok.


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I've sold the rear step and fitted a DB sliding tow bar since this pic. John

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Thanks for the advice Brian Thumbs Up That looks like a great caravan youve got.

Ive lifted the towbar since my first post, just need to fit a couple more bolts. I'll take my sockets & spanners when I go and collect the caravan so I can adjust as necessary. Once home I'll spend some time getting it just right. And Ill sand the paint off the day before.


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rossy



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I haven't towed the caravan with the Defender yet but will be in 4 weeks time during kids half term. Our new van only weighs 1.4 ton fully laden (Lunars are light ) but when we ordered it we didn't know we were getting the 110 or we would have got the Coachman or Swift version of the same layout (nicer inside but heavier) for the same money !

Can anyone tell me how towing a caravan affects steering and handling in a Defender compared to more 'modern' vehicles ?
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Hardly at all, really.

Our first van was a Lunar, bought for it's light weight and towed behind my 2.25 petrol Series III. When I chopped that in for a Stage 1 V8, weight became less of an issue Twisted Evil Darren

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Post #115174 13th Jan 2012 8:57pm
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WarPig



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rossy wrote:
Can anyone tell me how towing a caravan affects steering and handling in a Defender compared to more 'modern' vehicles ?


You'll probably find you keep checking your mirrors to convince your brain your actually towing it Very Happy
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rossy



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thats the right answer ! Laughing
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Lorryman100



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@JSG We went for another twin axle, the Elddis Crusader Super Scirroco

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ben2012



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Hi thinking of getting a tin tent and just wondering what peoples thoughts are of towing with a 90? I see most of you use a 110, I realise their wont be loads of difference but is one better or more suited than the other? Thanks Ben
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Laurie



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If anything, a Ninety tows better than a One-Ten.
The shorter distance from the rear axle to the towhitch makes the tail less likely to wag the dog.
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