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WarPig



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Alko caravan towbar position?
Ive just bought a new caravan (Swift Challenger 520SE) which I collect next week Very Happy . This means Ive had to fit a suitable Alko tow bar to my 110 300tdi. Ive fitted a drop plate because my last caravan towed nose high.

I dont want to collect the caravan only to find it wont connect to my towball. Could someone in the know please confirm that my towbar is positioned correctly?


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The clearance between the back of the towball and the drop plate is approx 6cm.

1) Will this give enough clearance for the caravan hitch to connect properly?
2) Are the protruding bolt heads in the way?
3) Should I fit a spacer plate between the towbar and the drop plate?


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Also, Ive fitted the towbar at its lowest possible position which is approx 42cm from the ground to the tip of the ball...


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Ideally I would like to move the drop plate up a notch so I can attach it with 4 x bolts to the slider.

What do you think?

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If it's a proper Alko compatible tow ball then the length of the neck should be sufficient to provide the necessary clearance. The bolt heads won't be in the way - the closest point will be on the centre-line of the tow ball.

The nominal height for a tow ball that suits the majority of modern caravans is 450mm from the ground to the centre of the ball. On that basis, I think you've got it too low. I'd be tempted to move it up one set of holes on the drop plate.

We tow a van with my wifes' DII, which has a fixed height swan neck tow ball set at about 450mm as above, and that's been fine on the last two vans. They're twin axles too, which are a lot less tolerant than singles.

Hope this helps. Darren

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My standard tow bar would not fit to a alko hitch, but a tow bar with a drop pin would.

The critical bit is the distance between the ball and the back plate, should be fine if you have a proper tow bar.
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I wouldn't tow like that Shocked Definitely move the drop plate up BUT you will probably find putting the tow ball on the slider is fine if you have a normal ride height - mine was, if not going over hillocks Rolling Eyes . You can fix it up when you go and pick the van up. Just size it up at the time and don't forget your spanners Thumbs Up

The Alko site gives you a diagram with measurements for fitting - you will be fine, it's the rear spare wheel that becomes a problem for some. i.e. you cannot raise the Alko lever as the wheel is in the way hence the reason the do an extended Alko hitch for 4X4's Thumbs Up

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WarPig



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Zagato wrote:
I wouldn't tow like that Shocked Definitely move the drop plate up BUT you will probably find putting the tow ball on the slider is fine if you have a normal ride height


Thats the problem, its still too high on the slider, hence the drop plate. I agree the drop plate should be higher, Ill have a play with it.

Zagato wrote:
it's the rear spare wheel that becomes a problem for some.


Fortunately I carry mine in the rear.

Zagato wrote:
Lorrymans your guy on all this Wink


I know, but Ive already pinched his towing mirror idea Mr. Green . Where are you Brian? Very Happy
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Mine is on uneven ground -Yeah in the bloody garage Rolling Eyes Laughing but it measures 50cm (maybe miles out!) and it's fine for towing, can measure tomorrow for you Thumbs Up Looking at yours it will go up to 50cm without using a drop plate!

Make sure the Alko friction pads are OK, they cost a fortune Shocked better still go back to a standard hitch Wink
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19" from the ground to the top of the ball is about standard for caravans.
I wouldn't tow a camping trailer with the arrangement in your photograph.
Too many stressed weak points.
Move the drop plate up and use all four holes.
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WarPig



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Paul_1978 wrote:
My standard tow bar would not fit to a alko hitch, but a tow bar with a drop pin would.

The critical bit is the distance between the ball and the back plate, should be fine if you have a proper tow bar.


Thanks Paul, this is the one ive fitted so should be ok? And this is the drop plate.

Ive been out and adjusted the drop plate, just need to get two more bolts to secure it. The tip of the towball now measures 48cm from the ground.


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With my previous caravan it would tow nose high with the slider on the lowest setting, hence the drop plate. I just need to get the new caravan home safely, then I can re-adjust everything.

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WarPig



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Thinking of swapping my single pin slider to one of these...




Hoping the double pin might stop it clunking?

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I use a spacer on my setup but don't require any drop plate with the dixon bate adjustable slider. if you have a door mounted spare you will need to have the rear door open inorder to mount the Al-ko hitch.
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Top of the tow ball on our 110 csw is about 20 ins from the ground, which tows our twin axle Abbey[Swift Group van] pretty much perfectly. Thinking about mounting the ball on an NAS step to avoid the door opening and closing necessary as you hitch up. Best vehicle I've towed with so far. Ian One wife - livid
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WarPig



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Maybee it was just a feature of my old 1989 Compass Shadow caravan that made it tow nose high? I guess theres a chance with my new caravan I might not need the drop plate?

My main concern was the clearance between the back of the tow ball and the drop bar or slider. Think I'll do as zag suggested and take my sockets & spanners with me, then I can adjust as necessary.
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ginjez wrote:
I use a spacer on my setup but don't require any drop plate with the dixon bate adjustable slider. if you have a door mounted spare you will need to have the rear door open inorder to mount the Al-ko hitch.

I've used a 16mm drop plate as a spacer on my DB adjustable hitch too.
Lets the rear door just clear the jockey wheel handle.
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Warpig apologies if you are already aware of this but you will also need to sand all the paint off the towball or it will destroy the friction pads on your stabiliser and at the very least render them useless. They need contact with bare rust free grease free metal in order to work Thumbs Up
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WarPig



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Thanks rossy, I did read to sand with emery cloth. So I assume they come painted so they dont look rusty in the shop?
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