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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1331   
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I dont have one, but as a short journey, low mileage driver, if I was buying any new vehicle with the choice of petrol over diesel, I would go petrol.
Too many horror stories of blocked EGR valves and clogged DPF's on diesels. For me, with a low annual mileage, I'd rather take the hit on fuel consumption, than face big expense on cleaning out all the c**p caused by modern diesel emissions systems!!! |
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15th Feb 2025 8:12pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17612 
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Interesting. I would avoid petrol as much as possible due to the ethanol situation. Give me a diesel (even if it has to have a DPF, EVR, and DEF system) in preference any day.
I haven't driven a Grenadier (yet) but I really cannot believe that a petrol engine suits it. |
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15th Feb 2025 9:18pm |
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| pjm-84 Member Since: 12 Apr 2021 Location: Hampshire Posts: 677
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Interesting. I can only speak for that engine in the slighty lighter BMW X545e and its a gem.
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15th Feb 2025 9:40pm |
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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1331
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I'd like to think that the E10 ethanol level has been factored into modern petrol engines.
Haven't they been running on it for years in Brazil? But who knows? After two clogged EGR valves on a Disco 3, three flatbed recovery trips with a 2.2 Wrangler diesel to the Jeep dealer caused by a recurring blocked DPF filter and two different friends with a VW T6 van and Nissan X-Trail both with DPF issues, I think I would take my chances on running 10% ethanol 
Not to mention all the oil dilution issues with the early Ingenium engines and others, caused by EGR regeneration. Not by any means a controlled test, but my son's 10 year old Mazda 2 has done 50,000 miles in the past 2 years on E10 without any drama so far and a clean bill of health on every MOT emissions check since its first test. (tempting fate, I know!) But I would take an old school mechanical injection diesel any day without all the emaciating c**p bolted on today to keep the green lobby happy. |
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15th Feb 2025 10:00pm |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 819
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What ethanol situation? And what rational do you have for the BMW engine not being fine with it? No idea why you'd think a torquey powerful petrol engine wouldn't work in a such a vehicle.  |
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15th Feb 2025 10:48pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17612
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Principally I am averse to its low energy density and hygroscopic nature. I accept that a vehicle designed specifically to use it should not experience the corrosion and component degradation that older vehicles do.
I am not familiar with either of the BMW engines in used in the Grenadier since I am not a fan of BMW vehicles however many decades of working Land-Rovers as they were designed to be worked has made me believe that petrol engines are not really suited to 7-ton GTW vehicles. I prefer the torque characteristics of a diesel. I am sure that both engines are good engines and I have no doubt that either puts the recent JLR offering to shame. Hell will freeze over before I buy a JLR TDV6- or Ingenium-engined vehicle.  |
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15th Feb 2025 11:10pm |
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| County V8 Member Since: 07 Jun 2021 Location: UK Posts: 148
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HI All
After having driven both the B57 and B58 in all models for over 12K I would say it depends the B57 is good for economy towing etc but the Petrol has more power and none of the Ad Blue nonsense. Both engines are smooth with a nice flat torque curve and detuned from the BMW versions for longevity .I have a B58 for the application I need it for do you miss the extra torque off road? well not really and it runs fine on super unleaded. You don't buy a 2.7 T aerodynamic brick for fuel economy. So I would say get an extended test drive more than round the block use it for a day or more to see if it suits you and your use its not all about the engine the chassis by Gestamp is super thick up to 3.5mm the braided lines the urethane suspension bushes etc. I think we have to get used to the fact that "it's not a Land Rover" |
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24th Feb 2025 6:50am |
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| Crazymind Member Since: 11 Jun 2024 Location: Glasgow Posts: 219
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I would buy the Ineos petrol in a heartbeat! Bmw engine is fabulous. Sure on pair with the ingenium.
I just cannot stand the mpg. The one I had tested, real mpg 15/18. Not sure it was designed with Europe in mind… The diesel is a lot more efficient and it’s more likely 25/28 mpg vs 28/30 mpg of my defender. Modern diesel need more frequent oil changes (despite 20k miles interval…) to keep the sump diesel free and egr cleaning every 20k miles. In addition always keep a tool to force dpf regen ar your convenience ( ex: one week of short driving and city driving… force it to regen next long trip..). This is how I survived the new diesel generation so far including the horrid T6 dpf clogging ( mine never had the problem, following the direction of more experienced t6 owners with mechanical background). |
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24th Feb 2025 8:43am |
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| Jim1988 Member Since: 26 Oct 2017 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 256
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I e had a BMW x3 G01 30d believe to be same engine and box, and currently own an X3 M40i G01 believe it’s same as the petrol engine they use.
I niched preferred the diesel and never had an issue for 5 years of ownership with doing mostly short runs. Sold it to a work friend who has had no issues in the last two years. Although I don’t want to put you off the petrol it’s a great motor! Just doesn’t feel as good as the diesel did! Thanks Jim. |
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24th Feb 2025 11:42am |
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