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XplusYplusZ



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Chicken Drumstick wrote:

Going back to the Defenders I cited above. 2012 pick up 90 for £17k.... using the Bank of England inflation calculator it means today in 2025 the same vehicle should cost £24k.


Those were the days.
Car prices have soared well above inflation.
The absolute cheapest base Ford is a Puma for £26,350! Even a boggo Ford Transit is £33k.
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Munchie wrote:
The good news is that these Halo cars are being bought, it makes the brand more desirable and therefore should improve the cars depreciation. The G class AMG full fat is around 180k now.

It says something that it’s more commercially viable to buy a brand new Defender than one that’s a few years old, the used market has held up very well for these cars, so whatever Landrover are doing is working.


Very good point - for all of us owners, in a round-about way, financially, this is a plus.
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Likeomg wrote:

I don't see how LR can charge about 60k more than a raptor R.


For folks buying these things, 60k clearly isn't a problem.
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Likeomg wrote:

“I don't see how LR can charge about 60k more than a raptor R.”


It’s a Blue collar/White collar thing
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Likeomg wrote:
To be honest, I've kept my previous gen defender (which will remain in the UK for now), sold the L405 autobiography for the Bronco and other than more road noise, I prefer every aspect of the Bronco to a L405. I haven't spent a huge amount of time in the new defender but I wouldn't say a L405 is much more refined if at all than a bronco raptor...

Okay... I've gotta say if you think the Bronco is as nice to drive on-road as an L405, you either had one messed up L405 or... that explains everything. Laughing

Sorry, being facetious, but I really have a hard time relating to that statement. I've spent considerable time behind the wheels of Broncos, Rangers (same thing) and nearly every later model LR (as well as numerous earlier ones). I can not understand this statement. Yes, on a smooth road with gradual curves I don't feel terribly much difference between my daughter's Freelander 1 and my RRs or L663. But if the road gets bad and conditions become worse, the difference is HUGE. I just spent about 3500km's behind the wheel of a Ranger on washboard roads in Namibia. I LONGED for an L663. 
RRC 2Dr, RRC 4Dr,
P38, and 2 L322s,
2 FL1s and a L663 on the way
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I agree ^ Bronco drives like absolute Censored compared to an L663. However, the Bronco drives an order of magnitude better than a Wrangler thanks to the IFS and rack & pinion steering. And the Raptor drives the best out of all the Broncos - that long travel suspension is like a cloud. On a long stretch of highway, it is very good. Get in the corners and its roly-poly. Same goes for the F-150 Raptor. Although I'd take the F-150 over the Bronco any day. Quieter, more refined, more luxurious, better suspension tuning, and more useable.

If anyone genuinely thinks a Bronco Raptor has better ride quality and driving dynamics than any D7 platform JLR product is smoking the wackiest drugs imaginable. I've never heard such nonsense. 𝟐𝟎𝟐𝟏 𝐃𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫 𝟏𝟏𝟎 𝐒 𝐏𝟑𝟎𝟎 (Pangea Green over Acorn/Lunar)
𝟐𝟎𝟐𝟑 𝐏𝐨𝐫𝐬𝐜𝐡𝐞 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐒 (Dolomite Silver over Black/Bordeaux Red)
𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟕 𝐃𝐢𝐬𝐜𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐇𝐒𝐄 𝐋𝐮𝐱𝐮𝐫𝐲 𝐒𝐢𝟔 (Aintree Green over Vintage Tan/Ebony) - Gone
𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟏 𝐋𝐑𝟒 𝐇𝐒𝐄 𝟓.𝟎 (Ipanema Sand over Almond/Arabica) - Gone
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The proper Raptor (Ford) is really good, the defender has a bit more in some areas and is a bit more for it...it can also tow more

But granted a different price to the octa Mike
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CincyRovers1 wrote:

If anyone genuinely thinks a Bronco Raptor has better ride quality and driving dynamics than any D7 platform JLR product is smoking the wackiest drugs imaginable. I've never heard such nonsense.


A bit rude, don't you think? I apologise for having a different opinion from yours.
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I have to admit i agree - air ride JLR products do ride nicely compared to others. Mike
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This ozzie journalist puts everything into perspective. A couple of quotes:

"It's like a Ranger Raptor on steroids"

"...what's most impressive about the Octa is the wide range of areas where it excels. Along with having a 3.5t braked towing capacity and a big payload, you've got supercar levels of straight line performance and impressive handling. But when you get off-road, this thing really does shine. You've got Raptor levels of performance and fun here, albeit with significantly more power available..."

"...plus our driving showed that this Defender Octa will, in low range, also crawl like a Wrangler Rubicon..."

There's no doubt that the Bronco Raptor is a cool vehicle. But there is a reason the Octa costs 100k more. And it shows. 
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P38, and 2 L322s,
2 FL1s and a L663 on the way
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LR Nuts



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whilst off-roading at speed Aussie jurno drives with his thumbs inside the wheel.
he hasn't broken his had yet ?


Now, what this Octa reminds me of is the 80's Ford Capri, in its offering. you could buy a budget 1.3 base model all the way up to a Tickford fully kitted model.
The variance in price is not obvious to people who can not see the difference between an 'Edition One' Defender 'S' model and the Octa launched model.

I don't see why anyone would pay that di££erence, or di$$erence.
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The "series 1" Octa (which is even £20k more) is sold out). The rest are apparently selling well too... 
RRC 2Dr, RRC 4Dr,
P38, and 2 L322s,
2 FL1s and a L663 on the way
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