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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3595   
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Also very surprised how poorly the 3.0 BMW diesel fared. Maybe the vehicle is just too heavy for it?
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9th Feb 2025 9:14pm |
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| mwestcrew Member Since: 09 Dec 2019 Location: South Warwickshire Posts: 287 
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The engine is obviously mapped differently to any car that I’ve driven with it previously. It’s possible that they just haven’t got it right. Maybe like the steering they don’t have the budget for continued development. 2011 130 Utility Body 2005 110 Van |
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11th Feb 2025 10:15am |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3595
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Is it just the weight of this vehicle?
It must weigh several bags of sugar more than an X5. It’s also not as aerodynamic. It’s got a lot more to do than any BMW that I can think of? It could also be a really poor map. Getting back to the long term test drive article, one thing that jumped out at me was the comment about Jim seeing a business opportunity after the old Defender was cancelled. I naively had assumed that this was a billionaires vanity project (Howard Hughes and the Spruce Goose style). If this comment is correct, I can’t see it will ever make a profit and Jim being the hard nosed businessman he is, will just kill it off. He’s made a point. He’s done what he said he was going to do. He won’t want to keep subsidising people to drive around in his companies 4x4. But let’s get real about this, Jim isn’t the only person with a car manufacturer that’s losing money at the minute? Jim has the advantage is his core business is doing very nicely thank you and the likes of Volkswagen, Nissan and Stellantis don’t have that luxury to bail them out. |
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11th Feb 2025 10:48am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17713 
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Does anyone know how easy it is to remap a BMW diesel, or a Grenadier?
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11th Feb 2025 10:53am |
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| pjm-84 Member Since: 12 Apr 2021 Location: Hampshire Posts: 701
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Agree
However I think its the running gear and as the TG review says, lift off and its like it has regenerative braking, which of course it doesn't have. So the engine is having to work all the time. |
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11th Feb 2025 10:58am |
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| mwestcrew Member Since: 09 Dec 2019 Location: South Warwickshire Posts: 287
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There are guys getting considerable power improvements from M57 and N57 engines so I should think a re-map would be available from the usual suspects. 2011 130 Utility Body
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11th Feb 2025 2:34pm |
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| pjm-84 Member Since: 12 Apr 2021 Location: Hampshire Posts: 701
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Yes, but I'm not sure it will offer much benefit. I think the frictional losses through the drive train are to blame, more so than the aerodynamics.
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12th Feb 2025 11:02am |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1466 
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^ Surely an extra 100BHP is 100 to start with more than standard, regardless of the % losses in the drive train.
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12th Feb 2025 2:05pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3595
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/...-downgrade
This is worth a gander. So, we all thought Sir Jim was rolling in it? Now I’m sure he has more cash than me, but this makes very interesting reading. Ineos the petrochemical business is not looking so good and has a lot of unwelcome debt. A debt which has caused the companies credit score to be down graded by two credit agencies to ‘negative’. I don’t think Ineos will be going out of business anytime soon, but from a layman looking in from the outside, I would say Sir Jim needs to lay off his vanity projects and start worrying about the core business. Man Utd has nearly run out of money. Belsfaff clothing is not as popular as it was and whatever you think of the vehicle, the Grenadier must be haemorrhaging money. He’s fallen out with the All Blacks (brave man!!) and Sir Ben Ainsley is threatening to take him to court over his America’s Cup boat. I get this is journalists having a field day, but maybe Ineos isn’t the cash cow that I had believed and it is all being held up with dodgy debt that they are struggling to repay. The bit I can’t get my head round is how sacking backroom staff at Man Utd will save £300M a year? Would you just not sell a couple of players. Some of these players salaries per week must be equal to multiple annual salaries? |
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12th Feb 2025 9:21pm |
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| pjm-84 Member Since: 12 Apr 2021 Location: Hampshire Posts: 701
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It likes to drink fuel so remapping was mentioned as a possible improvement to the excessive fuel consumption... |
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13th Feb 2025 12:14am |
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| Procta Member Since: 04 Dec 2016 Location: Sunderland Posts: 5269
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one thing is don't get involved in football.  Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back
In the words of my Good Friend, Gary Forrest 1980 -2025 " we will work something out" |
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15th Feb 2025 3:07am |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3595
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/...iffe-ineos
Not sure if the Guardian have their left leaning journalists teeth into the Brexit loving right leaning Jim, but this is another article on Jim’s empire which appears from this article to be crumbling. Read down and there are some values on how much the Grenadier has cost and how much has been borrowed to fund this project. These are scarily large figures from a manufacturer that at best will only ever be a niche small output manufacturer. If some of this article is true, it makes you wonder whether bits of this empire will start failing. I get that journalists can spin whatever narrative they want to into a story but you can’t argue with the fact that the credit agencies have no confidence in his business and its debt. They see beyond the corporate spin. |
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15th Feb 2025 12:15pm |
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| 90 Dreamer Member Since: 13 Jul 2019 Location: Oop North Posts: 2226 
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no nothing of him or his business in any detail but his actions over the last few years appears to show an arrogant **** who gives less than two flying
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as the good old patriot he obviously is he located his Grenadier factory in France, is closing Grangemouth all whilst trousering monies for the Belgian plant and thinks Wayne & Waynetta tax payer should fund his shiny new stadium in Manchester??? how about get the out!!! |
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15th Feb 2025 12:44pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3595
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From what I can Google, he doesn’t like paying tax (well neither do I) and he has moved to Monaco.
Why he seems to think British Tax Payers should subsidise a new sradium for Man Utd is anyone’s guess? If he hadn’t spent so much money on the Grenadier he could have built them one. Similar situation with Branson wanted the Government to bail out his airline after Covid. |
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15th Feb 2025 1:49pm |
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